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The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Are there any employees of OpenAI around? I had a question:

Does anyone in the office stop to contemplate the ramifications of developing technology that will likely put most people out of a job, which will have a whole host of knock-on effects?

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They've already swooped in. I mean the conspiracy argument would be that the $10B isn't a normal investment. It's a special government project investment facilitated by OpenAI board member and former clandestine CIA operative and cybersecurity executive Will Hurd through his role on the board of trustees of In-Q-Tel the investment arm of the CIA. It's funneled through Microsoft instead of through Google in part becau…

Who has time to come with this stuff?!

Most of it seems to come from /r/conspiracy, which unsurprisingly has a lot of overlap with another subreddit that starts with /r/cons*

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I believe you can't, at the same time, accuse OpenAI of benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere, and also claim that they are in a predominant position. It does not make any sense, and they are not naturally positioned for a monopoly. Just other companies have to move their asses.

OpenAI acts like they are some underdog startup for PR purposes while actually having access to effectively unlimited resources due to their relationship with Microsoft, which rubs people the wrong way Plenty of other companies had released GPT powered chat bots like ChatGPT, they just couldn't offer it for free because they didn't have a sweetheart deal with Microsoft for unlimited GPUs. Google did drop the ball tho…

I think you’re missing how much of a profound difference the intensive RLHF training OpenAI did makes in ChatGPT. Microsoft’s Sydney seems to also be GPT 3.5 based, came out after ChatGPT, and it was an utter dumpster fire on launch in comparison.

Meanwhile nobody has even caught up to ChatGPT yet, not even Microsoft whose resources are the secret sauce you think is the game changer, and now 4.0 is out and even more massively moved the ball forward.

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They've already swooped in. I mean the conspiracy argument would be that the $10B isn't a normal investment. It's a special government project investment facilitated by OpenAI board member and former clandestine CIA operative and cybersecurity executive Will Hurd through his role on the board of trustees of In-Q-Tel the investment arm of the CIA. It's funneled through Microsoft instead of through Google in part becau…

Please stop spreading FUD and unsubstantiated rumours all over this thread

It would be irresponsible for intelligence agencies NOT to involve themselves in AI. LLMs have the capabilities to catalyze economic shockwaves on the same magnitude of the internet itself.

Notice how OpenAI is open to many Western friendly countries but not certain competitive challengers? https://platform.openai.com/docs/supported-countries

Re: The Contradictions of Sam Altman

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Are there any employees of OpenAI around? I had a question: Does anyone in the office stop to contemplate the ramifications of developing technology that will likely put most people out of a job, which will have a whole host of knock-on effects?

Maybe Sam thinks about this at some level. From his New Yorker profile[0]:

> "The other most popular scenarios would be A.I. that attacks us and nations fighting with nukes over scarce resources.” The Shypmates looked grave. “I try not to think about it too much,” Altman said. “But I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to.”

This doesn't explicitly talk about him being worried about AI putting a lot of people out of jobs but he is prepping for AI going awry.

[0]: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-ma...

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> I believe you can't, at the same time, accuse OpenAI of benefitting of ideas mostly invented elsewhere, and also claim that they are in a predominant position. There used to be a team at Google called Google Brain and they all left to go to OpenAI after the employee protests against taking military AI contracts in 2018. Now Microsoft has those contracts and funneled $10B to OpenAI from the CIA. OK that's a little b…

Many of those employees have changed their minds about military contracts in this new cold war era.

America! What is in your military now, eventually ends up in the hands of the civilian police.

*and other countries are following. Fucking, sadly.

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Tell me, are the dystopian fictions that represent socialism or communism as bad, just as reasonable? Then following up with whatever your answer is: Why are you picking and choosing which fictions are reasonable? Let's dispel the notion that artists and writers are more aware and in tune with humanity than other humans.

>Then following up with whatever your answer is: Why are you picking and choosing which fictions are reasonable? This is arguing in bad faith. You don't care what their answer will be, you have decided that they are absolutely picking and choosing, and will still accuse them of as much even if their answer to your first question is, "Yes".

This isn't an argument in the first place buddy.

You're right that I don't care, because it has already been decided that Orwell is representing the future if things go "The Wrong Way (tm)", buy 1984 at Amazon for $24.99, world's best selling book. Or more succinctly to OP, "The Capitalist Way (tm)".

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It’s a good comparison. And once again tech enthusiasts are confused and outraged that the product people are getting credit for tech they didn’t invent. Once again missing the forest that people buy products, not tech.

There’s an awful lot of judgement, engineering and technique that goes into a really well thought out product. It’s often deeply underestimated, and culture makes a huge difference in execution. Bing/Sydney came out after ChatGPT, based on exactly the same tech, but was hot garbage.

Bing/Sydney is better than ChatGPT. It had serious bugs in beta testing
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