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China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

#91

Had exposure to poultry before falling ill... so no confirmed human-to-human spread.

The problem is, I'm not sure you can trust any news out of china to be the 100% unvarnished truth anymore. Seems the only way you hear any bad news out of china is when it gets 'too big to hide'.

No you can't, but if they were locking down cities, we'd know about it.

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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BNONews has been making a dashboard for every maybe-virus the past year (recently they had Monkeypox and some other one, Marburg maybe)? None of those turned into any major problem. They're pandemic profiteering, so while I appreciate the data they're collecting, I'm not quite ready to start freaking out about it.

Monkeypox was(/is? Idk) not a non-event, it was very real and relevant professionals were concerned about it. I don't know where 'BNONews' is based, but since China's in the title of this one I'll point out there were 'monkeypox' cases in the UK too for example. Just because it fortunately didn't go (/hasn't gone!) like SARS-nCoV-2019 doesn't mean it wasn't worth reporting.

Monkeypox was pretty clearly a non-event for the vast majority of the population pretty early on. There continued to be misleading and fearmongering reporting for weeks and months after that was obvious, because of the well-known phenomenon where media gets more clicks and eyeballs if the "news" is bad. Also, Covid doomers really wanted a 2nd thing to be depressed about.

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

#93
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure the definition of lockdown, but it appeared effective in Australia, New Zealand, and Taiwan.

And China, which went from an out-of-control virus that looked about to burn through the country in early 2020 to effectively zero COVID with just a few weeks of high-compliance lockdowns.

Until omicron, anyway.

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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post #92
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monkeypox was(/is? Idk) not a non-event, it was very real and relevant professionals were concerned about it. I don't know where 'BNONews' is based, but since China's in the title of this one I'll point out there were 'monkeypox' cases in the UK too for example. Just because it fortunately didn't go (/hasn't gone!) like SARS-nCoV-2019 doesn't mean it wasn't worth reporting.

Monkeypox was pretty clearly a non-event for the vast majority of the population pretty early on. There continued to be misleading and fearmongering reporting for weeks and months after that was obvious, because of the well-known phenomenon where media gets more clicks and eyeballs if the "news" is bad. Also, Covid doomers really wanted a 2nd thing to be depressed about.

It remained a non-event for the vast majority of the population because the most vulnerable proportion of the population participated in a widespread vaccination campaign. If a little extra screen time in the media made that campaign successful it paid dividends for public health, imo.

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

#95

Time for another three years of lockdowns. (I hope not)

My town had three months of lockdowns, followed by (so far!) three years of complaining about lockdowns.

(If I live long enough, I expect to hear thirty three more years of complaining about lockdowns.)

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monkeypox was pretty clearly a non-event for the vast majority of the population pretty early on. There continued to be misleading and fearmongering reporting for weeks and months after that was obvious, because of the well-known phenomenon where media gets more clicks and eyeballs if the "news" is bad. Also, Covid doomers really wanted a 2nd thing to be depressed about.

It remained a non-event for the vast majority of the population because the most vulnerable proportion of the population participated in a widespread vaccination campaign. If a little extra screen time in the media made that campaign successful it paid dividends for public health, imo.

Because the messaging was so muddled by attempts to amplify fear[1][2] or to avoid stigma, straight people showed up to vaccination sites and took very limited Monkeypox vaccine capacity from the sub-population who was actually at risk. At the time, I read opinions[3] from gay men who would have really preferred that the messaging was more explicit about who was at risk (so that gay men knew to get vaccinated and straight people knew they weren't at much risk).

[1]: There were articles about fear of Monkeypox spreading in K12 schools, despite a notable lack of unprotected anal sex in a typical K12 setting. https://www.curbed.com/2022/08/monkeypox-nyc-schools-no-guid...

[2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/health/monkeypox-masks-cd...

[2]: https://www.joshbarro.com/p/finally-some-good-news-about-mon... and https://www.joshbarro.com/p/how-not-to-talk-to-the-public-ab...

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It remained a non-event for the vast majority of the population because the most vulnerable proportion of the population participated in a widespread vaccination campaign. If a little extra screen time in the media made that campaign successful it paid dividends for public health, imo.

Because the messaging was so muddled by attempts to amplify fear[1][2] or to avoid stigma, straight people showed up to vaccination sites and took very limited Monkeypox vaccine capacity from the sub-population who was actually at risk. At the time, I read opinions[3] from gay men who would have really preferred that the messaging was more explicit about who was at risk (so that gay men knew to get vaccinated and str…

I'm heterosexual and I checked the quantities locally they were always bountiful before I went for my shots.

It doesn't seem like there was any effort to rebalance the amounts, seems more like a bureaucratic issue that had nothing to do with me. Once a municipality got their allocation, that was that.

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

#98

Had exposure to poultry before falling ill... so no confirmed human-to-human spread.

"Although the virus has caused severe illness in some patients, Chinese authorities say there's no evidence so far that the disease can be passed through human contact."

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/mystery-illnesses-china-caused...

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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post #86

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Why do these viruses often appear in China first? Has there been any study to find out any common patterns? Is it the food? Culture? Living environment?

The viral jump from animals to humans is a common mechanism in many of the worst pandemics, with covid-19 and hiv being prime recent examples. There's some evidence "the spanish flu" of 1918 came from swine. If I were working on the problem "how can we reduce the frequency new very dangerous viruses are introduced" I would pay attention to this aspect.

The solution to this problem is the same as nearly every other problem humans create: stop destroying ecosystems and animal habitats, stop expansion, reduce meat eating, etc. These things increase the transmission of zoonotic diseases. There was a really good article in 2020 that I can now not find where an expert discussed how these things are not new, COVID was not a surprise, and that these transmissions will do nothing but increase in frequency if we don't systematically tackle these problems.

Re: China reports human case of H3N8 bird flu

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post #92
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monkeypox was(/is? Idk) not a non-event, it was very real and relevant professionals were concerned about it. I don't know where 'BNONews' is based, but since China's in the title of this one I'll point out there were 'monkeypox' cases in the UK too for example. Just because it fortunately didn't go (/hasn't gone!) like SARS-nCoV-2019 doesn't mean it wasn't worth reporting.

Monkeypox was pretty clearly a non-event for the vast majority of the population pretty early on. There continued to be misleading and fearmongering reporting for weeks and months after that was obvious, because of the well-known phenomenon where media gets more clicks and eyeballs if the "news" is bad. Also, Covid doomers really wanted a 2nd thing to be depressed about.

>Monkeypox was pretty clearly a non-event for the vast majority of the population pretty early on

Just like how it's pretty clear that the coronavirus wasn't "a global emergency"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/health/china-virus-who-em...

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