I'm going to come up with a chat app called Resonate. It's going to be really cool. I just need a good website and some ML angle and I'll get some funding.
I'm going to the inverse of whatever these guys do and call it Frequency.
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#92This may be important for "threaded chat" but it's also a privacy killer. Everything you write might than be read by someone who later joins and wasn't the intended audience.
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#93I am wary of Wavelength due to unclear business model (it’s not paid and promises can’t rule out another future double-sided market where I’m the product) and won’t use it because any integration with ClosedAI makes me uncomfortable (I don’t need an LLM at my side when chatting with friends, and if I needed it I’d expect it can be run natively on Apple Neural).
We will never run ads. We plan to make money primarily by offering pro subscriptions and a version of Wavelength for organizations.
If you keep controlling equity stakes in the business and don't need to raise significant outside investment it will work out as per your business model.
If you get into enterprise selling, you'll need a sales workforce and significant cost of Sales/Goods/Administration. If you want only organic growth, you'll be ok. But what will happen is that investment from, or selling to a large corporate, will turbo boost such sales; the temptation proves irresistible to many. If you are in a land-grab dynamics with other companies, growth may actually mean survival.
There is a scalability tier above the best subscription businesses, which is mass-market consumer adoption. The twitter experience demonstrates this. The ad revenue across billions outweighs a tidy subscription revenue from a small highly engaged subscription crowd. Any significant co-investor will find the lure of this irresistible. If you gain private equity investors, you will become ad based with high probability.
I welcome your contribution to the field of messaging apps and wish you well. I hope that this can inform your judgements about business models going forwards. If you think this is incorrect, please follow up with your alternative thoughts.
Re: Wavelength
#94https://wavelength.app/invite/BHRaKD7Lffh#rjZY5RlPZmg_l7UhDP...
Edit: Oops, there is an earlier invite to a HN group. Should have used the find command before posting...
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#95> this means that when new members are invited to a group, the existing members can automatically re-encrypt and securely send the recent message history — which is important for threaded chat, so that conversations aren’t broken. This may be important for "threaded chat" but it's also a privacy killer. Everything you write might than be read by someone who later joins and wasn't the intended audience.
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#96IMHO the core point is John Gruber equity, so it is basically a business promotion not an article: "Not only was my feedback warmly received, it begat a series of discussions that culminated in my gladly accepting a position as an official adviser to the company, in exchange for a small amount of equity. I’m happy to disclose this now, and will continue to disclose it when writing about Wavelength henceforth.". The d…
Exactly. He should have started the article with "Disclaimer: [...]".
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
The big problem with forums are when threads became too long. Either because people go off-topic, or just because the thread has been going on for months / years. If they could somehow fix that issue, that would be awesome.
I personally don't think that's an issue. The same number of messages are made, why arbitrarily force the discussion to be broken up? Embracing what the users want to do, how they want to us it, is a great way to discover non-obvious uses and to be low friction for them. Just looked, and on one of the forums I run there's a thread with more than 130K replies https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/133015/ and so long as…
If there's a thread with 100 pages the title probably says little about the topic. There's probably some interesting comments in there, but I don't want to go through 100 pages...
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/sigh… How is being forced to be civil so outrageous that it’s worth even mentioning? The fixation on unmoderated freedom of speech is… obsessive. If they make a nice community for people who wanna talk to each other on those terms, good for them. Maybe it’s nice. Maybe it’s a heavily moderated echo chamber. Maybe it’s not for you, that’s fine. What do you get by standing on the sidelines going “that’s abhorrent! Dea…
But I do feel that it's OK to establish a community/context, where a set of rules governs the decorum, and allow people to either join, or leave. If people don't want to abide by those rules, then it is OK (incumbent, even) for the community to sanction them; but only in the context of that community. I'm not into calling up a troll's workplace, and trying to get them fired. I think it's OK to ban them, though.
They'll vote with their feet. If they like it, they'll stay. If they don't, they'll leave, and it will wither on the vine. Elon Musk is doing exactly that, with the new Twitter. Personally, I don't want to play in that sandlot, but a lot of others, do. I won't go and try to stop them.
I've spent most of my life, in a mutual support community that has a very specific culture and set of rules. We don't have a police force to enforce them, but we also won't change them for any rando that insists that we do so, for their convenience. We've been doing things this way, since before I was born, and will continue to do so, forever (hopefully).
It's like walking into a Jewish Temple, or Islamic Mosque, and saying "I love pork, and it is my right to eat pork. I also want to join your organization, so I insist that you start allowing the eating of pork."
Even worse, in the organization that I'm involved with, there are commercial interests that would like us to change, and we can get some very strange pressures. Sort of like paid pork-eaters, showing up at synagogues, and demanding pork reform.
Just let the dervishes whirl. If it's meant to last, it will. If not, it will become another footnote in history.
It may also change, but that's no guarantee, and I have watched changes destroy good things. Good ol' Chesterton's Fence...
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#100The one point in the article I disagree with. IMO the best chat interfaces are in desktop web apps. So many things are easy to do in a web chat app that are a pain to do in native apps. And I'll take typing on keyboard over a touchscreen any day of the week.