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Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by anigbrowl »

zepolen wrote: post #78
plants wrote: post #28

This is so funny, I was just doing this with ChatGPT to apply for jobs. If you make me fill out a bullshit form where I fake being passionate about your company, I’m going to get a chatbot to write it for me. End of story. I just need a job, why do you care if I’m passionate about building CRUD apps for you?

> I just need a job, why do you care if I’m passionate about building CRUD apps for you? Because people that lack passion for their work cut corners to avoid doing it.

I'm not convinced of that, there's lots of people who are diligent but quiet about it. Passion works great in some job contexts, in others it can lead to exploitation, cult-like behavior, groupthink that results in a terrible product etc.

Obviously you want staff that like their work enough to be fully engaged with it, but fake passion is bullshit that's often foisted on us by marketing/HR drones. Think of how people who work at Subway stores are called 'sandwich artists' when the reality is that they'd probably be fired if they deviate even slightly from the approved recipe.

I don't want to work with people who are primarily driven by passion tbh, because they're likely to either burn out or be intransigent when there's a difference of opinion. I just want people to be friendly and not robots.

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by UncleOxidant »

javajosh wrote: post #74
lwhi wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think ChatGPT is going to remove the value from a lot of roles and tasks. If it can be done by ChatGPT .. there's no point in the ritual; we'll most likely end up scrapping it. No cover letters. No marketing fluff. No library photography. Less hiring. Less jobs.

It will be interesting to see how ChatGPT interacts with BS jobs. Could go a lot of ways. One interesting scenario is if humans to finally accept that if you have a big population in a technologically advanced society, the demand for human labor is going to drop, while the supply increases. The only real jobs are those that require rare talent, on a power law dist. The best they can do is no negative contribution. NP…

Seems to me that plumbing would be one job that will very difficult to automate. Might be possible some day but it's going to be very tough to do. So if you want a job that probably won't be automated in your lifetime that would be one to consider.

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by nickpeterson »

paxys wrote: post #44
rosywoozlechan wrote: post #25

So AI resumes and AI cover letters are now being auto-submitted to AI generated automated job postings then parsed by hiring AI. What an absolute circus this is becoming.

Might as well have AI apply for and do these jobs to complete the circle.

Pretty soon all developers basically have avatars that they manage that perform their jobs.

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by Avicebron »

nickpeterson wrote: post #93
paxys wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might as well have AI apply for and do these jobs to complete the circle.

Pretty soon all developers basically have avatars that they manage that perform their jobs.

That will last about a week until someone pitches "Avatar as a Subscription Service" to manage it for you.

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by exizt88 »

Ask your HR Director what share of non-mass hiring hires were made in the last year from responses to job postings. I guarantee it will be less than 20%.

This is why the cold job search process is so awful. No one cares about the least efficient channel. It should be the last resort in your job search, and it’s absolutely fair to try and game this broken system with a cover letter generator.

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by HTTP418 »

frob wrote: post #24
morkalork wrote: post #7

Bullshit like this is why hiring processes are so insane now.

Agreed. In my most recent round of hiring, I used the presence of a relevant cover letter as a point in favor of the applicant when deciding whether to invite them in for an intro call. It showed me the person actually looked into the company a little bit and wasn't just spamming. It also helped weed out the spam since I'd get cover letters telling me how excited the applicant was to work at a web3 fintech while we'r…

The ai writes it based off of the resume. It's not like it's a completely random cover letter

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by zabzonk »

anigbrowl wrote: post #79
zabzonk wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They already are very low signal. by no means - when i was doing hiring (not now) cover letter was almost always the most important thing. the cv says what you have done, the cover says what you want to do. > So like a recruiting agency that does pre-screening? That is a thing already. and a very bad thing - i do not want possible good candidates screened out by some chinless-wonder in an agency.

I would not be inclined to use AI for this sort of thing, but it's a two-way street. but I can think of many hours spent writing carefully crafted introductory letters only to receive a form letter or nothing at all in return. In the context of job applications, think how many recruitment ads are just a collection of buzzwords and happy talk, while omitting crucial information like pay etc. HR departments are notorio…

> I can think of many hours spent writing carefully crafted introductory letters only to receive a form letter or nothing at all in return.

yes, well, stuff happens. still, i don't think you can beat a good covering letter.

> In the context of job applications, think how many recruitment ads are just a collection of buzzwords and happy talk

which is why i hated using agencies.

my favorite interview memory was (for a c++ role) with a guy who had a degree in ancient greek (anyone fluent in ancient languages seems brilliant to me, as i only have a bit of schoolboy french). anyway, this was for a big 6 accountancy firm, and us programmers had to pass the same IQ tests that the accountants did, adminstered by HR. i amazed them by 100% on the visual/spaciel test - HR girl: "golly, no one has done that before!" though what accountants were to be expected to do with this skill i have no idea.

anyway, the guy we were interviewing was given the test papers and a pencil by the HR girl and left him to do it. 5 minutes later he came out of the interview room (i'll call him A):

HR: sorry is there a problem?

A: i've lost my pencil

note this was a very small room.

but once provided with another pencil, he did a pretty good job.

then he got the techie interview stuff with me (project manager/architect) and J (tech lead). this went well - he obviously knew his stuff. but then he offered to show some of his code for his current project:

me/J: cool

A: [searches through briefcase] oh, oh god, where is it???

me/J: collapse laughing

and we hired him. and he was great.

sorry this went on a bit, i had forgot and just rembered. this was about 30 years ago

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by waboremo »

Waterluvian wrote: post #37
vkou wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anyone hiring for a company with more than 10 employees in the 21st century even read a cover letter? And if they have, are they stupid enough to actually believe it? For most people looking for work, rent's due next month, and they are machine-gunning applications, they aren't actually deeply passionate about getting a job at .

I love cover letters for this reason. It’s easy to tell who is shotgunning and who is thoughtfully applying. I might be lucky in the sense that I still get the latter.

What are the tells of a thoughtful cover letter? Maybe people can incorporate those when asking AI to generate their letter for them.

Re: Generate a Cover Letter by Pasting the Job Post and Your Resume

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Post by Waterluvian »

waboremo wrote: post #99
Waterluvian wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love cover letters for this reason. It’s easy to tell who is shotgunning and who is thoughtfully applying. I might be lucky in the sense that I still get the latter.

What are the tells of a thoughtful cover letter? Maybe people can incorporate those when asking AI to generate their letter for them.

Hah. “Please make the letter you generate thoughtful. Make up an anecdote that illustrates why I’m uniquely interested in this work.”

Apologies. You deserve a thoughtful answer but I’ve had a day. Maybe others can add in, but the most common one for me is when they bind their qualifications to the role by way of one or two (very) short anecdotes or personal experiences. It also gives me something to ask about that you’re likely comfortable elaborating on. A great ice breaker.

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