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Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by yarg »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #74
twawaaay wrote: post #18

In general any type of hormonal anything is probably dangerous. Endocrine system is incredibly complex and connected in many different, mostly unknown ways. And contraceptives play with hormones that are central to what makes women women. These hormones are not just limited to regulating when eggs are released from ovaries, they take part in a lot of other processes. It is absolutely not surprising then that there wi…

> In general any type of hormonal anything is probably dangerous. Endocrine system is incredibly complex and connected in many different, mostly unknown ways. By that logic sugar should be a controlled substance and we should all be gonadectimized. Gonadectimized animals almost always live longer. > And contraceptives play with hormones that are central to what makes women women. Weirdly estrogen in utero is central…

> By that logic sugar should be a controlled substance and we should all be gonadectimized.

Your response to hormonally induced cancer is extinction?

Babies and bathwater.

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Post by tremon »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #24
lazyasciiart wrote: post #6

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Wow. I'd probably break up with a guy who "asked me to get off contraceptives". If you want to be responsible about preventing pregnancy, that's fantastic. If you feel like that's any more than an input to her decision of whether to be on it, that's a pretty fundamental overreach.

Isn’t any “request” an input only? As opposed to a “command”.

Only in societies that are culturally inclined to open and direct communication. In societies where indirect communication is the dominant form, a "request" might be a command, a polite suggestion or an expression of disapproval, or anything in between.

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by throwntoday »

projectazorian wrote: post #63
throwntoday wrote: post #29

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Why does it upset you that GP would be concerned for his GF's health? I also ask my GF's not to take oral contraceptives because of guilt that they're doing damage to their body for me. None have ever responded negatively, and at the end of the day it was a request. All agreed they did not feel great when taking the pills, but continued because of pressure by society/previous partners.

Because it’s likely that you and GP do not understand the risks as well as you think you do. You are likely not a MD, and even if you were, you wouldn’t be the expert on your partner’s body, they are. The lack of humility is the issue. Now if your partner brings the topic up to you and mentions health issues they’re experiencing then sure, it’s fine to offer your view, but that’s not how it sounds to us reading.

You're suggesting that I never bring up something regarding my partner unless they mention it first. What an absurdly unrealistic and sterile view of love you have.

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by _cenw »

NineStarPoint wrote: post #67
lockhouse wrote: post #57

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I’m curious if hormonal transgender treatments will have similar long term effects.

It probably will yes. But it’s also measured against the heavily increased suicide risk of trans people who aren’t able to transition.

A large part of the risk can be mitigated by the fact that trans HRT uses bioidentical hormones and that you change the delivery route to transdermal or injections. The risk was substantial 30-40 years ago when trans HRT also used syntehtic hormones, but seemed to have leveled out to near nothing now.

Varying levels (big spikes, big valleys) are an issue too, but very few people are interested in doing anything about it. I'd love to be offered polyestradiol phosphate for instance. But such drugs are very rarely offered to anyone trans, because even after years of HRT, I could suddenly want to detransition and then this lasts too long. Or something.

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by dryrun »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #59
lazyasciiart wrote: post #6

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Wow. I'd probably break up with a guy who "asked me to get off contraceptives". If you want to be responsible about preventing pregnancy, that's fantastic. If you feel like that's any more than an input to her decision of whether to be on it, that's a pretty fundamental overreach.

I see your point but I think the parent didn't mean "ask" as in "told", it's obvious (at least to me!) that such decisions are taken by the woman only. I interpret this as, "I take the full responsibility for not making you pregnant. You can relax now and you don't need to increase the risk of getting cancer out of fear of pregnancy."

I wonder if it's not also the comment format, that is not a full retranscription of the discussion they had, that brings this "ask" to an autoritative verb. The discussion may very well have been "I asked her if she wanted to get off the pill", and the parent took a shortcut on writing.

I did this, and I'm now vasectomized, but even without this operation, the deal was always "I think this may be harmful to you, I would suggest to stop taking it, but that's your move. If you're taking it for contraceptive reasons, we can figure out something else". But this makes for a way longer comment, when you are replying quickly to a topic to provide an opinion on a subject.

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Post by guilhas »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #6
blindriver wrote: post #4

Every single girlfriend I had, I asked her to get off contraceptives because of the medical dangers and I didn't want to be responsible for any problems associated with it. Instead I took responsibility for making sure she wouldn't get pregnant. One of my girlfriends actually got mad at me because I was *too* careful about getting her pregnant, and interpreted that as me not wanting to get married to her (which since…

Wow. I'd probably break up with a guy who "asked me to get off contraceptives". If you want to be responsible about preventing pregnancy, that's fantastic. If you feel like that's any more than an input to her decision of whether to be on it, that's a pretty fundamental overreach.

In relationships, all "asks" are a smidge more than "just an input" that have to be negotiated with diplomacy or you'll probably end up alone a lot

From medicines, to exercise, vaccines, going to GP, having more serious procedures, going to bed on time... contraceptives, condoms, vasectomy, pregnancy... tattoos, piercings... paying bills, mortgage, savings, joint/split accounts... partners will give inputs on everything. There is no overreach. Strange would be if they didn't worry about each other and the family future

You will always have the last say about yourself, but you will also be mad when your partner ignores something you think you're righter

Especially if you end up having children together and cannot handle disagreements on what best for their health and life in general

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by lazyasciiart »

blindriver wrote: post #21
lazyasciiart wrote: post #6

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Wow. I'd probably break up with a guy who "asked me to get off contraceptives". If you want to be responsible about preventing pregnancy, that's fantastic. If you feel like that's any more than an input to her decision of whether to be on it, that's a pretty fundamental overreach.

Meh. It's not particularly controversial so you're being overly dramatic. I didn't force anyone, we had an adult conversation about it and all my gfs were on the same page. If any one of my gfs wanted to stay on contraceptives in the first place, then great, I would still do the exact same thing to avoid getting her pregnant in case she missed a day, etc. My wife wasn't on contraceptives in the first place so it was…

Asking someone to change their medication because of the longterm health implications is not just broaching a subject. It is saying that you both have the same information and you believe they have come to the wrong decision - or, more likely, you believe you have better information on the topic and she should be guided by your wisdom. If you can’t tell the difference between that and “broaching a topic”, well, that’s not terribly unusual. If what you think you actually did was “tell all my girlfriends that I will be a completely reliable partner in behavioral contraception so that she would be safe from pregnancy without hormonal birth control, and then go away secure in the knowledge that she could make this decision based on her own evaluation of the risks and benefits of being on hormonal birth control, which are for many women far more extensive than preventing pregnancy”, well, that would be much higher communication skills and awareness on the topic than you’ve demonstrated here.

(Emphasis on the “because of their long term health” reasoning, because asking them to change because of exterior impacts can make sense)

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by lazyasciiart »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #78
warent wrote: post #27

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It's only disheartening to me because woman live in a society where men perpetually behave like we know what's best for them. What you're reading as aggression, I'm reading as a reasonable response to a perfectly plausible alternative interpretation, which is that he knows what's best for his girlfriends better than they do for themselves. So many men have this corrupt mode of thinking that there is now an entire US…

> a perfectly plausible alternative interpretation, which is that he knows what's best for his girlfriends better than they do for themselves. We are literally commenting on the article confirming using hormonal contraceptives increases the risk of cancer. So if your partner is using these you basically have two options: 1) ignore the issue and maybe not even mention it to her as this could be misinterpreted as influ…

3) bring it up to make sure she is aware of this possibly new information, and assume she will use it to inform her decision making? What do you think I meant by providing input to her decision? What on earth made you pull out the straw man that you can’t even influence them?

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by LorenPechtel »

yamrzou wrote: post #85
LorenPechtel wrote: post #82

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Yeah--there's a factor here that messes up the data. Namely, that pregnancy to term is associated with a *reduction* in breast cancer, the earlier the pregnancy the bigger the effect. This is the reason behind the "pro-life" claim that abortion causes breast cancer--no, it simply doesn't provide the protection. Never-pregnant vs had-abortion is the same risk. Hormonal contraception is more effective and will reduce t…

I think that factor is taken into account here: > These calculations were then adjusted to take into account established risk factors such as body mass index (BMI), number of recorded births, and the time since a woman’s last birth . Is it the same as yours?

The age of *first* birth matters, not the age of last birth. They controlled on the wrong thing.

Re: Any type of hormonal contraceptive may increase risk of breast cancer

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Post by dawnbreez »

gameman144 wrote: post #87
shawnz wrote: post #77

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When your boss asks you to take a ticket, when a parent asks their son to clean their room, when a cop asks a citizen to identify themselves, you don't think those situations imply control? When a romantic partner asks you to change the drugs you are taking, don't you think there is some implication that their satisfaction with the relationship is contingent on it? Maybe we are getting too into the semantics here but…

A boss, a parent, and a cop have authority over the person they're asking. A romantic partner does not. Likewise, my friend asking me to stop smoking because they care about my health is different than my boss saying to stop smoking or I'm fired.

A romantic partner should not, but some people believe that they deserve authority over their romantic partners. It would be nice to believe that all relationships are handled healthily, but this is something a surprisingly large number of people struggle with, partly because it's not something that you can take a formal training course on.
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