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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

Does it mean I can finally get a high end laptop without a discrete gpu?

Not really.

The 7040 series is good, but its not dGPU class like an M1/M2 Max. I think AMD has been scared to make one because OEMs won't want it.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

The customization goes further than just yes/no to the number pad. Looks like a whole "Input Module system" that could open up opportunities for different keyboard designs (DVORAK, various locales, maybe different switches?). I love this idea, excited to see what folks do with it. Makes me think of Apple's Touchbar nonsense -- why force a number pad, or a second touchscreen on folks who don't want one? Such a good iteration on the Framework idea.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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I'm in the market for a new laptop soon and am considering a Framework one. Would the 13th gen or the AMD version be good enough for basic photo editing? My wife is starting to get interested in photography. It would be nice if this could be a shared machine that I'd use most of the time and she would use for photo editing. If photo editing was something she wanted to do frequently she could always get her own machin…

The biggest advantage for AMD IMO is efficiency and thermals. AMD beats Intel perf per watt hands down — it’s not even close. Intel can’t shrink their process node fast enough because they use their own fabs. AMD uses TSMC and benefits from process advances. Intel has new fabs with better technology coming online in the coming years, but Apple M1/2 and AMD 5xxx but truly 7xxx have them well beat.

Given that laptops have physical size constraints and a 100 watt hour battery max because of that stupid FAA rule (and mfgs don’t want to try to explain that they’ve made a laptop that you can’t technically take on a plane, even though mall cop TSA guards very likely wouldn’t catch it), there’s only so much heat you can dissipate with laptop heat sinks (around 200 watts for the latest and greatest cooling solutions, a lot less for thin and lights), so performance per watt is what laptop perf is all about. Intel 12th gen used to be better than AMD 6xxx in single-thread until it rapidly overheated and started throttling, but the 7xxx stuff matches or beats 13th gen Intel on single-thread. For multi-thread, the best current Intel designs are 8 fast cores and 16 Atom cores. The AMD 7945HX is 16 fast cores. Combined with the difficulty in scheduling on asymmetric cores (Win11 does a decent job and is aware of this but it’s not perfect), 16 real cores usually wins for tasks that require real horsepower. The Intel solution is decent for handling many small background tasks (chrome tabs, running Spotify, Slack, etc) but there’s still a lot of context switching happening.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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post #65

I'm in the market for a new laptop soon and am considering a Framework one. Would the 13th gen or the AMD version be good enough for basic photo editing? My wife is starting to get interested in photography. It would be nice if this could be a shared machine that I'd use most of the time and she would use for photo editing. If photo editing was something she wanted to do frequently she could always get her own machin…

Yeah. TBH pretty much any good laptop could handle photo editing these days.

You probably want the AMD version.

The bigger question is whether it can run stable diffusion quickly. And if you dont know what I am talking about, I encourage you to check out the InvokeAI infinite canvas or the Stable Diffusion Photoshop plugin... its revolutionary.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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And if you scroll down you can see the glowing review that they got from Linus Tech Tips.... Who owns a stake in their company...Yiiiikes.

And Linus is completely transparent about it in this and following materials. What's the issue?

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#97

Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

It would be nice if we could get non-multiplexed edit keys in the unused space. That is the biggest failing of modern laptops. Massive horizontal real estate and they're packing keys in like it's 1995.

Previous framework was 3:2, not 16:9 so there isn't a ridiculous amount of width. But yes, a vertical column of dedicated keys is a decent compromise that doesn't shift the keyboard over much. I had that on an older luggable.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#98

Quick summary for those couldn't watch the livestream/load the website. - New Framework laptops are available using Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7040 series. - New 61Wh battery, new matte display option & a Cooler Master mainboard case for $39. - New 16 inch Framework laptop. Allows you to have a number pad or not, up to you and customizable. If I understood the livestream correctly, there are upgradable dedicated GPUs tha…

The 16 seems like the version that will open the door for me.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#99
post #65

I'm in the market for a new laptop soon and am considering a Framework one. Would the 13th gen or the AMD version be good enough for basic photo editing? My wife is starting to get interested in photography. It would be nice if this could be a shared machine that I'd use most of the time and she would use for photo editing. If photo editing was something she wanted to do frequently she could always get her own machin…

The biggest advantage for AMD IMO is efficiency and thermals. AMD beats Intel perf per watt hands down — it’s not even close. Intel can’t shrink their process node fast enough because they use their own fabs. AMD uses TSMC and benefits from process advances. Intel has new fabs with better technology coming online in the coming years, but Apple M1/2 and AMD 5xxx but truly 7xxx have them well beat. Given that laptops h…

That was true previous gen, but Intel's efficiency cores make them quite competitive this time around.

The 7000 series's advantage is now everything else: IO, the GPU, faster memory and such.

I dont even count the 7945HX as a laptop CPU though. That is a $2K+ desktop replacement, complete with the same hot idling the desktop chips have.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

#100
I love this! I got a Framework laptop back in 2021 and it has been one of my favorite non-Mac laptops in years (decades?) and I love seeing the company evolve and grow! Definitely looking at upgrading to one of these for my non-M1 Max laptop needs.
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