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Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Would love to use duolingo, but they have no interest in supporting iranian languages. I’ve never really seen a clear answer for why. They have about 200 million native speakers worldwide. Persian, Pashto, Kurdish are the largest.

Hmm, I guess what they're interested mostly is how many people are interested in learning Iranian languages. Not saying that the number is small, but I'd guess it's maybe too small for them to matter?

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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I've yet to try Super Duolingo. But I've also been tapering off my usage as they keep forcing to use the word bank instead of keyboard at an increasing rate. I've no desire to use the word bank, they seem to have no desire to let me use the keyboard. Unless that's buried in one of the premium options I see the writing on the wall.

Interesting, I am a Super Duolingo subscriber but I don't think that's one of the features. Anywhere I'm inputting a sentence I think I get the keyboard option, maybe I'm misremembering, but I do a lot of typing on my Japanese keyboard when I study.

They were clearly doing some A/B testing a while back based on sporadic complaints on r/duolingo. At some point I noticed it had solidified. The current setup is if the drill is target language to host language, you'll always get word bank. If it's host language to target language it'll push you towards word bank but you have a subtle thing to click on that brings back the keyboard. Sometimes it's called "make harder" or sometimes "use keyboard" (vs "make easier" and "use word bank")

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#93

I have severely mixed feelings about Duolingo. I can't imagine paying more than I already do for the "Super" option. If you're trying to learn Spanish or French, it seems like a pretty full-featured app. Unfortunately, I'm trying to learn Greek and every aspect of it is sub-par compared to other languages. It doesn't even read you questions correctly. (It uses flat intonation as if it's saying a statement.) There are…

Not relevant to the discussion but possibly for you: I discovered this 100% free no-signup audio-only course for Greek through a previous HN post. Amazing approach (like Michel Thomas but more charming and modern and free!):

https://www.languagetransfer.org/about

Of all the language apps I used Duolingo has by far been the least useful. I've spent hundreds of hours but took barely anything away (for FR, ES) If you must pay go to a proper app with structured learning, like babble or something language specific.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#94

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

I mean, sure, that's more or less how a company operates. You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue? This all seems pretty standard.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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Like many current LLM results, they're impressive considering the SOTA of ML until recently, but not very good in comparison to a good human baseline.

What example English words would you give as a guide for pronouncing the words?

I feel like the words it gave only work for _spanish with an american english accent_. But then again it maybe depends on how you would pronounce the words for comparison like banana.

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Usually that decision is driven by the cost of moderating/deleting abusive content quickly enough in order to not get banned from use in schools...

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would not be surprised if forum moderation was a volunteer activity. Even core functionality like developing the lessons, for less popular languages, was done by the Duo community and given very little support from paid staff.

Yes, but moderating and screening for abusive content can't reliably left to unpaid volunteers if it needs to be good enough not to scare off parents and educators. I remember that this was the death knell to a Lego online game: People were making genitals quicker and more inventively than anybody could keep up.

In education technology, many seem to hope to get that from AI: the helpfulness of a forum of volunteers without the abuse. The rise of the "unsocial network".

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