everyone who is capable (there are a lot of us!) can we please just eat a little less of this stuff? I’m not asking for much, like a tiny tiny bit less, if you can. Just like one time consciously skip it and cackle “haha i’ll get you next time ocean” if it helps! this is not going well
California cancels salmon fishing season
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Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#92It's not just the draughts. https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts "Species like thresher, bull and hammerhead sharks have lost up to 80-99% of their populations in the last two decades. Seabird populations have declined by 70% since the 1950's. Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is thrown overboard as bycatch. Six out of seven species of sea turtles are either threatened or endangered due to fishing…
It makes me ashamed to be human. Reading stuff like that, and thinking about what we do to cows, sheep, lambs, chickens, etc, it dawned on me a while ago that humans have no right to treat animals like they're just a bunch of cells to be treated however we want, like a serial killer treats their victims. But that animals are fellow beings, a lot like us in many ways. I didn't want pain, or someone to kill me, so I fi…
If someone said I could live my life and be happy but at the end I have to die or not live at all I am going to choose life. The same is true for the animals I raise. They get to have a very peaceful life where they are spoiled. They get heat in the winter, fresh water daily, the correct amount of calories each day, treats which they love like fresh picked berries and other foods they love, protection from predators, and all and all a very privileged life. But in the end they do die as painlessly as I can make it.
If I didn’t raise these animals they just wouldn’t have existed to begin with. So I do feel bad they have to die but I also gave them a great life.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
"For example, Mitsubishi, a company which handles 35-40% of Japan’s imported Atlantic bluefin tuna, has been deep-freezing and stockpiling thousands of tons of bluefin each year, seeking to profit by selling bluefin at extremely steep prices in the future when the bluefin tuna is extinct or near extinction." https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/revealed-t... https://web.colby.edu/st297-global18/2019/01/2…
Won't this encourage fishermen to continue fishing bluefin at higher prices? What a dark future: "Bluefun tuna is extinct in the wild but you can still eat it from Mitsubishi" And then: "Today the last bluefin tuna in the history of the world was sold for $20M to a billionaire." Something like that...
The Tuna wars, begun have they.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is thrown overboard as bycatch. This is a fairly important part. It’s one thing to fish and eat. It’s another thing to fish and destroy. Trawling is the strip mining of the sea.
In the US, you are required to discard bycatch under penalty of law. As a professional fisherman you aren't even allowed to eat it. They don't want to discard it, they are required to. The regulation nominally exists to disincentivize bycatch but anecdotally it seems to just ensure that bycatch becomes waste.
> it seems to just ensure that bycatch becomes waste.
Not exactly. Bycatch becomes energy diverted towards the scavengers part of the trophic chain. They are feeding other animals with it.
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cancel all commercial fishing
I would love to see all commercial fishing banned as well for something like 10 years. Unfortunately there are other countries that would not respect the ban and even if not countries, individuals would ignore it as it would create a black market. I still think the idea should be discussed and maybe g20 nations come up with some agreements. Hopefully things like lab grown fish improve and maybe we can move people awa…
Lab grown fish are one thing, but simple fish farms already work really well, the issues are that the fish don't eat a natural diet and are sicker and less healthy to eat. Maybe that's an easier problem to solve than growing fish meat in a lab.
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#96I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.
Do you happen to know if there are any places in California to go fly fishing, if any? My curiosity deriving from David James Duncan's The River Why and Norman Maclean's A River Runs Through It .
There are a ton of excellent places. You can go for steelhead in the Klamath and Trinity rivers, lots of trout in the Sierra Nevada mountains (I'm partial to the Truckee River watershed), and if you want to try something really different go for striped bass on a fly in some of the Central Valley Foothills reservoirs in late-August or September. I've even gone surf-fishing on fly for Skates and sharks in San Diego at the beach.
There's a lot of different fly fishing experiences in California from traditional trout to really unique stuff. Please do try some out!
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#97It's not just the draughts. https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts "Species like thresher, bull and hammerhead sharks have lost up to 80-99% of their populations in the last two decades. Seabird populations have declined by 70% since the 1950's. Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is thrown overboard as bycatch. Six out of seven species of sea turtles are either threatened or endangered due to fishing…
Cancel all commercial fishing
Equals to kill several millions of people. Bad idea.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember one of my undergrad economics professors going on a rant about how we will never run out of oil or tungsten or whatever because the marginal cost will increase gradually until we find alternative materials. It sounded very intelligent and convincing to me at 18, and sounds downright idiotic to me now.
This is different than fish, as tungsten is recyclable and doesn't rot. Read up on the Simon/Ehrlich wager. Nobody knows the future, but your professor was demonstrating a solid economic principle.
I know that oil and tungsten are materially different from fish. Marginal costs of digging things out of the ground does in fact tend to increase gradually with scarcity, as do incentives to devote resources to basic research into recycling, consumption reduction, and alternatives.
But teaching undergrads about tungsten and not fish is just propaganda.
Edit: To be clear, the point is not that my professor was idiotically wrong about oil and tungsten specifically. The "idiotic" part is to assume and furthermore imply to young students (who don't know any better) that the general principle holds equally well in all domains. Maybe "arrogant" would be a better word than "idiotic".
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can’t hurt, but I don’t think something like this is really going to fix the problem. Dams, water levels abs temperatures, ocean trawling, acidification … there’s lots and lots of stress on salmon population aside from anglers.
There was a bombshell report about an immediate moratorium on crab fishing in Alaska, that came out of nowhere, seemingly. About a month later there was a (very, very quiet) report justifying the moratorium. The short version is that effectively scientists had been asking for reduction in fishing in the area for decades and finally the remaining stock in the area was so low it was critically endangering the ecosystem…
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There was a bombshell report about an immediate moratorium on crab fishing in Alaska, that came out of nowhere, seemingly. About a month later there was a (very, very quiet) report justifying the moratorium. The short version is that effectively scientists had been asking for reduction in fishing in the area for decades and finally the remaining stock in the area was so low it was critically endangering the ecosystem there. So they finally put in a hard stop after years of kicking the can down the road.
The Atlantic cod industry waves hi.
Or, it would, if there was still an Atlantic cod industry.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Historical-Atlantic-cod-...
Re: California cancels salmon fishing season
#100Here in Sweden we have major issues with hydroelectric power preventing salmons from reaching their spawning areas. Some rivers have limited or event stopped fishing because there just aren't enough that survive the trip past the power stations (that assuming there is a path past them for the fish to use). Is there similar issues in California?
Yes, it's been on the brink for a while with both hydroelectric and flood control dams and usage for agricultural irrigation of deserts reducing water flow. Many of the California Chinook salmon mentioned spawn on the Sacramento River.