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Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by JohnFen »

notch898a wrote: post #90
JohnFen wrote: post #89

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Or, possibly, that some people don't agree that cryptocurrency shares the same fundamental principle. Cryptocurrency isn't actually that anonymous and certainly isn't private, after all. Or that people have objections to it on completely different grounds, not on anonymity/privacy grounds. Plus, what yjftsjthsd-h said. There are many reasons why what you perceive as an inconsistency may not, in fact, be.

I, in generally, (absent some exceptions like privacy coins) agree with you. But the assertion wasn't that crypto is private, it's that the crypto threads evoke anti-privacy viewpoints like the need for KYC. KYC is inherently anti-private, it's a warrantless compelled search by the government of your papers for identity. My perception at least is different attitudes on average on those threads, like people are more a…

Your comment implied that you thought of that as an overwhelming sentiment on HN, though. I don't see any reason to think that it is (or isn't) based on the comments.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by notch898a »

JohnFen wrote: post #91
notch898a wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, in generally, (absent some exceptions like privacy coins) agree with you. But the assertion wasn't that crypto is private, it's that the crypto threads evoke anti-privacy viewpoints like the need for KYC. KYC is inherently anti-private, it's a warrantless compelled search by the government of your papers for identity. My perception at least is different attitudes on average on those threads, like people are more a…

Your comment implied that you thought of that as an overwhelming sentiment on HN, though. I don't see any reason to think that it is (or isn't) based on the comments.

It seems you haven't formed an opinion. Which is fine.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

#93

Post by costco »

yieldcrv wrote: post #18
bombcar wrote: post #14

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It's a question if you'd rather your ISP see you using a VPN and Mullvad seeing you use Tor or your ISP knowing you're using Tor.

Tor bridges mask Tor use to your network and ISP

Bridges including "private" ones are trivially enumerated: https://github.com/scriptzteam/Tor-Bridges-Collector

I would not rely on bridges if you ever need to deny that you used Tor at a certain point in time though they may be useful for bypassing some censorship systems. A VPN could hide Tor use from your ISP but that obviously comes with a different set of risks (the VPN provider will know you are using Tor).

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by Zetice »

seanw444 wrote: post #88
Zetice wrote: post #39

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Fair enough, but I have no idea how that would require me to always use TOR, lest the insanely unlikely scenario arise that I need to expose some hidden information. Also wait, whistleblowing on the government? I’m not privy to anything like that.

Maybe not now. But you don't know what your life will look like in 10 years, or even 20. People end up in politics more than they ever imagined, out of necessity. It's the OpSec equivalent of holding something behind your back and saying "no, there's nothing there." Makes you look even more guilty. You look a lot less guilty if you hold non-suspicious things behind your back often. Then people are more likely to thin…

Heh no, starting to access TOR is not suspicious or a correlator to anything, that’s the paranoia I’m talking about.

Also I wouldn’t use TOR for this anyway.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by Zetice »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #78
Zetice wrote: post #28

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I honestly have no idea how it works, I just know I can watch taskmaster when my vpn says I’m in London.

So when you say > Yeah I’m not trying to hide from the law what you really mean is more like "I'm cool piracy and breaking British laws, but other than that I'm not hiding from the law"?

Yea, I am cool breaking a British law nobody in my country has ever been prosecuted for breaking, but my point is I’m not hiding about that, it’s a tech problem I’m avoiding, not a legal one.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

#96

Post by themoonisachees »

time_to_smile wrote: post #70
jakear wrote: post #12

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...besides the US Government, TOR's largest benefactor by far. In case anyone needed reminding. https://www.torproject.org/static/findoc/2020-TorProject-For...

The US Government also funded and build the Internet (or at least ARPAnet). The government also benefits from Tor being actually anonymous. It is worth being aware of course, but to my knowledge we have no evidence that Federal law enforcement has used anything other than old fashioned detective work to solve any Tor related cases. There's always the possibility of parallel construction, but I would expect some reaso…

It would however be common sense that the US gov. Wouldn't burn a TOR 0-day (or other means of breaking tor anonymity) for anything but the highest of high profile cases, especially considering it would end up in court records.

They can either spy and let it slide because 1 guy buying weed on whatever replaced the silk road isn't worth that, or they can find the guy, arrest him if he's done something big enough and invent a way they found him. Hell, they could even say they found him on clearnet, the guy isn't gona go "your honor, i sure did buy those illegal drugs online but i used TOR so how did they find out"

My current biggest reason to believe TOR isn't breached on a massive scale is that snowden had nothing to show about it.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by bauruine »

costco wrote: post #93
yieldcrv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tor bridges mask Tor use to your network and ISP

Bridges including "private" ones are trivially enumerated: https://github.com/scriptzteam/Tor-Bridges-Collector I would not rely on bridges if you ever need to deny that you used Tor at a certain point in time though they may be useful for bypassing some censorship systems. A VPN could hide Tor use from your ISP but that obviously comes with a different set of risks (the VPN provider will know you are using Tor).

I run multiple private bridges and they aren't in this list.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by vorpalhex »

seanw444 wrote: post #20
Zetice wrote: post #13

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Yeah I’m not trying to hide from the law, I’m trying to get the airline to stop giving me weird price quotes and bbc to let me stream their shows.

Well I am. I have a right to. If you want to have plausible deniability when you inevitably must do something legally wrong but morally right, then you must always be hiding.

You don't.

"Why did you suddenly download and install tor at 2am?"

"I wanted to watch a weird porn and didn't want anyone else to know"

Don't inconvenience your entire life for strictly theoretical situations.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by godelski »

tablespoon wrote: post #85
blauditore wrote: post #16

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I can totally imagine they're using Tor for some undercover (foreign) operations or similar. I don't think the US Government with all its branches is known to practise exactly what it preaches.

> I can totally imagine they're using Tor for some undercover (foreign) operations or similar. I don't think the US Government with all its branches is known to practise exactly what it preaches. The US government has different parts with different goals: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2013/10/05... (paywalled). IIRC, the NSA has interests in conducting surveillance, and the State Department has in…

Ironically meaning that the gov does the cat and mouse game with itself. Self-reinforcement learning. Quite an effective optimization method if we're being honest.

Re: Mullvad becomes highest level of Tor Member (Shallot)

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Post by seanw444 »

Zetice wrote: post #94
seanw444 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe not now. But you don't know what your life will look like in 10 years, or even 20. People end up in politics more than they ever imagined, out of necessity. It's the OpSec equivalent of holding something behind your back and saying "no, there's nothing there." Makes you look even more guilty. You look a lot less guilty if you hold non-suspicious things behind your back often. Then people are more likely to thin…

Heh no, starting to access TOR is not suspicious or a correlator to anything, that’s the paranoia I’m talking about. Also I wouldn’t use TOR for this anyway.

Alright man. It's not paranoia when it becomes reality, but you do you.
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