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Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by jillesvangurp »

darkerside wrote: post #56

I'm a little astounded that there hasn't been a more effective physical intervention invented to handle kidney stones and gout. It seems like there should be a way to use high intensity ultrasound waves or something similar to break them up.

Ultra sound is pretty effective and a common treatment. Basically breaks the stones up and you pass them on. My father had treatment for this some time ago and I wouldn't be surprised if I have to deal with this at some point either.

Lemons are nice in any case so consuming a bit more of those is not a burden for me. You can work them into food and beverages in all sorts of ways. Probably you should be careful with sugary drinks like lemonade. I wonder what's so special about lemons vs. e.g. oranges, tangerines, grapefruits, etc.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by zeristor »

I am not medically trained, and have only read up on kidney stones having seen a friend deal with them over several months.

No mention here of Shockwave lithotripsy to working breaking up the stones, obviously prevention is better than cure but at least in the NHS in the UK they can attempt to shatter the stones.

Also there’s several different type of kidney stones, of which 80% are Calcium:

https://www.healthhub.sg/a-z/diseases-and-conditions/629/kid...

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by sgtnoodle »

bmurphy1976 wrote: post #75
eigenvalue wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually don’t know much about it from a medical standpoint. But just from a pure Bayesian reasoning it seems overwhelmingly likely to me that it was the precipitating cause, since I never had it before that. I do think most doctors are very weak at identifying or even understanding patterns that are very unusual and which they haven’t seen before or read about. They generally don’t rely on first principles thinkin…

They take time to build up. You probably knocked it loose during your exercise regimen and it got stuck in a new much worse place. I get them regularly and I swear there are times where I feel a tightness that I attribute to one getting built up. Then one day the pain comes.

The one stone I passed took about a month and a half, and I suspect it dissolved because I never saw it. It turns out I have an anatomical variation on that kidney where I have two ureters. The double ureter meant that my kidney had a redundant path to my bladder, and so there was less pressure on the stone to migrate. It hurt really bad when it first developed because I was tensing up from worry, but once it was diagnosed I was able to mostly manage the pain just by relaxing.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by zadler »

noduerme wrote: post #89
goddstream wrote: post #87

I'm a veteran calcium oxalate stone former; I've ended up in hospital three times because of them, and my last scan showed I currently am carrying 16 of them, (plus 3 bonus bladder stones). I'd thought I'd pass on what I've learned in the last 30 years; if helps one person, then I've been useful. 1. Drink lots of water (actually a very dilute lime juice/cranberry juice mix). I aim for 4 litres/1 gallon a day, more in…

Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

I like that they do this in a bar rather than at home

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by bitL »

ChatGTP wrote: post #78
bitL wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take potassium citrate; eventually, drink a lot of beer.

Thanks I'll look it up! Also, I took some time off the booze, oh the irony...

It's specifically beer which has the ability to dissolve the most common type of kidney stones. You can try the alcohol-free versions which work as well ;-)

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by 1letterunixname »

goddstream wrote: post #87

I'm a veteran calcium oxalate stone former; I've ended up in hospital three times because of them, and my last scan showed I currently am carrying 16 of them, (plus 3 bonus bladder stones). I'd thought I'd pass on what I've learned in the last 30 years; if helps one person, then I've been useful. 1. Drink lots of water (actually a very dilute lime juice/cranberry juice mix). I aim for 4 litres/1 gallon a day, more in…

I have a 15+ mm one. It's not going to pass and urologists already tried ESWL. They're waiting until it becomes a problem to remove it surgically because it will likely return.

Cola, excess vitamin C, and anything high in oxalate equal stone growth.

There are several stone types with different pathologies.

High citrate intake is generally good to counteract growth but there is no shrinking existing stones through diet. Anyone claiming this is a liar.

ESWL or surgery for anything larger than a few mm because passing would be brutal.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by 1letterunixname »

noduerme wrote: post #89
goddstream wrote: post #87

I'm a veteran calcium oxalate stone former; I've ended up in hospital three times because of them, and my last scan showed I currently am carrying 16 of them, (plus 3 bonus bladder stones). I'd thought I'd pass on what I've learned in the last 30 years; if helps one person, then I've been useful. 1. Drink lots of water (actually a very dilute lime juice/cranberry juice mix). I aim for 4 litres/1 gallon a day, more in…

Calcium stones run all along the male side of my family too.. and I've had a few. The notion to me that lemonade would be helpful is counterintuitive. Generally we've come to understand that high doses of Vitamin C are part of the problem, because that's been something the men in my family do to ward off sickness - but my father, who took 5000 milligrams of C a day for years, always got the worst stones of all. >> 2.…

This isn't a forum for unprofessional, unproven medical advice.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by 1letterunixname »

nrau wrote: post #5

I got my first and so far only (fingers crossed!) kidney stone five years ago. At that time I started drinking lemon juice with hot water to start each day before consuming anything else, and it has so far kept any recurrence of kidney stones away. I really do believe the lemon juice has been key for me in this regard, and it is in any case a very healthy thing to do daily anyways (known and practiced by other cultur…

You're going to erode your teeth enamel like that. Hot water has nothing to do with it. Timing has nothing to do with it. Citrate and water increase; oxalate, protein, and cola decrease are generally important. Also, being endocrinologically stable is important.

See a urologist because they form silently again and again. Unless you have x-ray vision, it's impossible to know their status.

Re: Lemon-derived nanoparticles block the progression of kidney stones

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Post by 1letterunixname »

defen wrote: post #85
nrau wrote: post #5

I got my first and so far only (fingers crossed!) kidney stone five years ago. At that time I started drinking lemon juice with hot water to start each day before consuming anything else, and it has so far kept any recurrence of kidney stones away. I really do believe the lemon juice has been key for me in this regard, and it is in any case a very healthy thing to do daily anyways (known and practiced by other cultur…

How much lemon juice? Like the juice of one whole lemon, or what?

Doesn't matter. Don't do this. Take citrate as a supplement.
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