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Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by ericmay »

hbn wrote: post #39
partiallypro wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest gripe is when iPhone users share video or images, they are grainy nonsense. If Apple just moved to RCS this would be solved, but they refuse simply because they know it handicaps their competitor. The react thing has largely been fixed by Google on newer versions of messenger. It's impossible to fix the video stuff. People outside the US don't get it. They say everyone should switch to Whatsapp, etc, but g…

Apple hasn't moved to RCS because it's not an actual industry-accepted standard, despite what Google will trick people into believing. The version of RCS that's on Android is Google's own fork of RCS and is primarily routing messages through Google's own servers. And therein we have the reason why Google keeps pushing these smear campaigns about how Apple isn't "getting on board with the new standard," -- Google want…

Yep. And when I see Google running ads [1] around RCS it signals to me not to touch it with a 100ft poll. If it were a good protocol you wouldn't have to run ads (like USB-C).

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/09/google-new-campaign-pressu...

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by willyt »

bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

I wish there was a way we could tag threads so that I can have threads tagged with "iMessage bubble colour" automatically collapsed. I can see both sides of the argument but I'm totally bored of reading it for the 100th time by this stage.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by _23sd »

five82 wrote: post #81
oaththrowaway wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Removed SMS support from the app

It seems counterintuitive to use SMS in the first place if your users expect end to end encryption.

Maybe, but confusing iMessage and SMS doesn’t seem to be a problem for iOS users who use both in the same app. The bigger problem was going to be RCS. 3rd party apps can’t use it, so as SMS conversations moved to RCS the SMS support in the Signal app would become less useful or even confusing.

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Post by layer8 »

dalyons wrote: post #42
sneak wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have WhatsApp or iMessage; anyone who wants to communicate with me can use email or Signal. Signal lets me sign in with VoIP numbers, so it works fine for my uses, and is reasonably secure.

If I drew that line I would have approximately zero people communicating with me.

It must be sad to realize that people don’t want to communicate with you all that much. ;)

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by lostlogin »

seiferteric wrote: post #60

Interesting... A while back there was a store about running MacOS X in a VM and I believe you could sign into iCloud. I had an idea that someone could do a startup to sell iMessage as a service on other platforms by wrapping the iMessage app on a VM into an API/service. If that failed, you could buy up olf iPhones/iPads and automate them with an custom app to do the same maybe?

You can sign a vm into iCloud. I have a ridiculous system for backing up photos where a VM downloads them and then the machine uses a script at various intervals with Rsync to get them out the vm. I disable messages on it, but by default they arrived.

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Post by nebula8804 »

Macha wrote: post #3

Wouldn't be the first time that Microsoft has tried to integrate with a third party chat service against said chat service's wishes: https://www.theverge.com/2014/4/21/5635488/msn-messenger-vs-... And Microsoft has been on the other side of this with third party skype users, too.

After nearly 24 years we have come full circle: Here is an episode of Silicon Spin featuring John C Dvorak (yes that John C Dvorak) from ZDTV (yes that ZDTV) discussing the issue. I remember seeing this live when I was in elementary school lol

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJBXgmdX44

Wonder what happened to all these 'pundits' :)

[EDIT]: LOL @ 5:50 "Coming up on Silicon Spin, streaming is free but how long will THAT last?!"

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Post by ben174 »

gzer0 wrote: post #69

This is the same mechanism utilized by Tesla and their "iMessage" integration. It won't be patched (any time soon at least); however, it is severely limited. No prior history is able to be loaded; no sending/receiving/viewing of pictures, group chats don't function... the list goes on.

Yea, when I saw these limitations, the first thing I thought of was Tesla. And Tesla makes it very clear with their messaging, when you first pair your phone, something like 'Due to limitations by Apple, you won't be able to participate in group chats.'

It seems obvious to me Apple always wants to keep one critical thing inaccessible for iMessage, to lock people into using their platforms. They'd rather Tesla use car play, that way they can lock the integration down so others (like Windows) can't use the same integration.

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Post by TSUTiger »

Macha wrote: post #3

Wouldn't be the first time that Microsoft has tried to integrate with a third party chat service against said chat service's wishes: https://www.theverge.com/2014/4/21/5635488/msn-messenger-vs-... And Microsoft has been on the other side of this with third party skype users, too.

Did you guys read the article? It just transmits messages the same way your car would when connected to Bluetooth.

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Post by bombolo »

eertami wrote: post #8
bmitc wrote: post #4

Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

Having lived all over the world, but not the US, I don't think I've sent or received an SMS/text message once in the last decade (except for bad 2FA implementations). Apple's weird and semi-transparent (to the user) hybrid system of mixing a proprietary web protocol and SMS in the same app is obviously problematic, and the rest of the world moved on to other messaging services, but it's weird that the US is still stu…

Google has an app that mixes SMS and messages as well transparently. They put this in the android SMS app at some point.

Then they started to ask me daily to switch to using their messaging thing whenever possible.

That's when I went on f-droid and downloaded the first SMS app I found. I can't understand why the SMS app should send anything else than SMS.

After all, I'm aware that using any messenger made by google means constant migration.

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