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A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by lostlogin »

newaccount74 wrote: post #55
traveler01 wrote: post #33

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Curious to know, which competition caught up Apple on software?

I think it's more that Apple has dropped down to normal reliability levels. With Apple's focus on shipping a new OS every year no matter what, they have started shipping broken features by default, and you just have to hope they get around to fix the bugs next year.

Mountain Lion please, 3 years in a row.

My new battle is that Apple Mail search just stops working. Quitting and reopening doesn’t do anything. When it works, it’s almost like crafting the ultimate regex at times.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by fsociety »

toastal wrote: post #70
izacus wrote: post #58

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Maybe we just don't want to constantly wear crap on our head?

Counterpoint: your neighbors don't want to hear the crap on your laptop speakers

I’m confused - are you suggesting that people use headphones instead of small laptop speakers to not annoy their next door neighbors?

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by mrtksn »

makapuf wrote: post #86
mrtksn wrote: post #73

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Doesn't do targeted ads, so doesn't have to have an EU cookie popup. Doesn't have an app, so doesn't have to try to make you install the app. Doesn't do registered users growth hacking, doesn't have to have sign-up dialog. The problem is, if and when they decide to monetise this thing they will have to have all of these because the money people and the analytics will tell them they have to. Everything is much more fu…

Distributing a static HTML page content does not need a VC. Nginx on an RPI on my home connection does provide sufficient level of performance and availability. If I need more because my content is way popular, I guess a monetization scheme (asking for a tip) might cover it ?

If you are not getting paid for your servers you are the VC/Angel.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by mrtksn »

eloisant wrote: post #88
mrtksn wrote: post #73

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Doesn't do targeted ads, so doesn't have to have an EU cookie popup. Doesn't have an app, so doesn't have to try to make you install the app. Doesn't do registered users growth hacking, doesn't have to have sign-up dialog. The problem is, if and when they decide to monetise this thing they will have to have all of these because the money people and the analytics will tell them they have to. Everything is much more fu…

No, all the bloggers I was reading on the old web were paying for their hosting a few bucks a month and no VC were involved. Some of them included ads but they were mostly in a sidebar.

They were paying for the costs? Then they were the VC. Some of them actually grew to be huge and wealthy.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by tokamak-teapot »

graderjs wrote: post #38

When I first got my current MacBook Air the sound totally surprised me. It seemed like it was coming from places to the left and to the right of the actual device. I kept moving my head around that space to try to find the weird source of the sound! It truly blew me away. But then that sensation disappeared. Now I don't notice this? I like the AirPod head tracking, but this "spookily surround sound" that I noticed at…

M1 Air user here too.

I am convinced there must be some kind of ‘spatial’ processing going on, even though I’m as certain as I can be that I’m listening to a plain stereo source, Spotify web version on Firefox.

Why does it sound like a particular instrument is up in the air to my right? I’ve found myself getting up and looking for the source of a sound before realising it was in the music.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by ziftface »

makapuf wrote: post #86
mrtksn wrote: post #73

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Doesn't do targeted ads, so doesn't have to have an EU cookie popup. Doesn't have an app, so doesn't have to try to make you install the app. Doesn't do registered users growth hacking, doesn't have to have sign-up dialog. The problem is, if and when they decide to monetise this thing they will have to have all of these because the money people and the analytics will tell them they have to. Everything is much more fu…

Distributing a static HTML page content does not need a VC. Nginx on an RPI on my home connection does provide sufficient level of performance and availability. If I need more because my content is way popular, I guess a monetization scheme (asking for a tip) might cover it ?

I really hope you're right but I don't think it will play out that simply for mastodon. I have high hopes for it, hopefully these problems are solved but with this rate of growth, what will happen when there's a big political event that used to cripple Twitter back in the day? I don't think tips will cover it.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by mrtksn »

dmitriid wrote: post #84
mrtksn wrote: post #73

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Doesn't do targeted ads, so doesn't have to have an EU cookie popup. Doesn't have an app, so doesn't have to try to make you install the app. Doesn't do registered users growth hacking, doesn't have to have sign-up dialog. The problem is, if and when they decide to monetise this thing they will have to have all of these because the money people and the analytics will tell them they have to. Everything is much more fu…

> Everything is much more fun when it's paid by someone else, that's why the old web was so nice. What are you talking about? The old web was filled with ads. They just weren't tracking you every nanosecond of your life. Google's AdWords was launched in 2000. DoubleClick that Google acquired in 2008 was launched in 1995 . Ad exchanges are from 1998. And so on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_online_advertisi…

> They just weren't tracking you every nanosecond of your life.

Exactly.

But only some of that was paid by ads.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by jasoneckert »

A month ago, Hector did an amazing talk on Asahi that was essentially was a talk on "What it takes to make an open source project work": community, tooling, considering users (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COlvP4hODpY).

And one of the examples he gave regarding "considering users" was why they chose to disable speaker support until they could ensure user safety, as well as ensure a quality sound experience.

When discussing open source projects and communities in academia, we often try to categorize every aspect, as well as focus on projects that failed and why. I try to do the opposite and instead focus on what worked and why - and the Asahi project is a stellar example of how to do an open source project well on every level.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by fsociety »

danaris wrote: post #75
alright_scowl wrote: post #60

Except they don't? I hate the speaker sound on the Mac I use for work. Unless "so good" in the title means "not as awful as other shitty laptop speakers", but even that is a poor statement, when the text in the link makes only mentions some vaguely interesting technical musings, without comparing it to anything else. The way the title is written makes it sound just like any other inane data point of people gushing ov…

Different people are going to have very, very different standards for what sounds good in speakers. For me, the MacBook Pro speakers sound great. My HomePod mini sounds fantastic. Because a) they're literally the best speakers I have ever owned, and b) I have never made Getting The Very Best Sound a priority; it just doesn't matter that much to me. Most of the time, I listen on AirPods. For other people, music and hi…

I am going to be less generous and suggest that some people just want to hate on macs for the sake of hating on macs. Sticking it to the “man”.

I’m a bit obsessed with audio.. and I never expect my laptop speakers to match the quality of my fancy headphone setup that probably nets for about $4K.

They are no high-end speaker, but compared to any other laptop speaker I have heard they are amazing.

Re: A reason why Mac speakers sound better and louder than most

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Post by lwkl »

lostlogin wrote: post #87
Spooky23 wrote: post #24

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MacBooks have margin so there is room for engineering time. Also, companies like Lenovo care about their primary customer - enterprise. Apple designs for the end user first.

Is there anything that’s made better for the enterprise market? Network switches and wifi access points come to mind, and that’s it?

Laptops for the enterprise markets are better for the enterprise market.

They are often relatively easy to repair (at least for the most common repairs). They offer 5 years and longer warranty contracts with on-site repairs. They offer driver and software package for automated deployments and more.

Most of these things are not important for the consumer market but very important for the enterprise market. There isn't a product that is the perfect fit for all markets.

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