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The floodgates are now open for all the people who believe they have it in them to be great writers, if only it weren't for all of that tedious writing. As if the value in writing consists mainly in having an idea. This is much like people who believe that their great business idea is (by itself) worth millions.

On the other hand - my dad is an industrial designer. He was initially irritated by how easy it was for lower grade designers to enter the field given the advent of new tools (even before computers). But he eventually embraced it and understood that the nature of his job changed to something more comprehensive. He just advised me to prepare for the same as a software developer in the age of ChatGPT. Perhaps he would…

> understood that the nature of his job changed to something more comprehensive. He just advised me to prepare for the same as a software developer

What's that mean to you concretely?

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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reminds me of PG > The fact that there's no market for startup ideas suggests there's no demand. Which means, in the narrow sense of the word, that startup ideas are worthless. http://www.paulgraham.com/ideas.html#:~:text=The%20fact%20th... .

This is one of his essays I vehemently disagree with, and think has hurt Silicon Valley. The idea that ideas and idea people are worthless has had a cascading effect of putting non idea people in idea people seats, or locking out a class of people from participating unless they have some other engineering or marketing or leadership skill. Apple would never have become without Steve Jobs being able to see what was and…

Sure, nurturing it to execution is a PM at the small scale and a CEO at the large scale. Ideas people are not competing with non-ideas people: they're competing with ideas people who can execute.

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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Soon, however, I expect AI to write even better, more personal, and more riveting stories than humans. It is just that they are bad now that they are blocked from submissions.

I'm sure.

There's a certain ick factor in consuming machine-generated content, but I suspect it's more of a resistance to change or the fact that all machine-generated content until now has been garbage. Or some romantic idea about a human having written it.

Once I get over it and try to look upon it with more childish eyes, it seems like it will be pretty amazing to generate infinite content I want instead of waiting for some human somewhere to write exactly the content that I want, if ever.

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It's the way the story is told. If it was all about the idea, you'd just read the Wikipedia plot synopsis, say "ah what a great story that was, so glad I read it" and move on.

> read the Wikipedia plot synopsis, say "ah what a great story that was, so glad I read it" I have unironically done this for movies/books/games/media I've elected not to consume but otherwise desired to know for cultural context.

I'll cop to the same thing, but neither you nor I would claim that knowing "rosebud was the sled" is equivalent to watching Citizen Kane.

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Ironically, LLMs are really low grade creative engines that will prop up the industries that have optimized creativity away. A highly creative society/culture would have minimal interest in LLM use cases like this or in entertainment more broadly. What will the schism become? Organic vs. inorganic works? Will there be one or will it just be a guess?

I think you are largely correct. My observation is that "quality" as a discriminator in a market requires enough market share for quality in order to continue funding it. If you split the aggregate market into a standard distribution, the ability to sell quality products into that market seems to evaporate quickly once you get beyond 1.0 SD from the mean. The more interesting point (to me) is your second one, which i…

>, which is how do you educate the market to recognize the "cost" of low quality

Typically... pay them more. When I was broke quantity mattered more to me. Now that I have discretionary income I am far more selective.

See Also: 'Boots Theory' of Socioeconomic Unfairness

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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I think this is an under appreciated symptom of a much larger problem, accelerated shit production. I've observed that markets are really bad at selecting for quality. The "invisible" hand is driven by price and so the production of "equivalent" products at a lower price does two things; 1) It consumes product demand from quality insensitive consumers (the whole 'sucking the oxygen out of the eco system problem.') 2)…

Every market is A Market For Lemons. nothing but price can be objectively compared. We were just talking about the dropshipocalypse/aliexpressification of amazon where it's no longer possible to tell if any two products are actually two different products; or if it's the product you will receive. Even quality sensitive/price-insensitive consumers have no way to know if they're buying quality; or if they do buy qualit…

I understand (and agree!) with what you are saying, historically the role of "brands" was to curate customer specific features for sourcing product offerings. So while Sears & Roebuck might get hand tools from a factory in China, those that they applied the Craftsman brand to had a lifetime warranty, and as a result they would push both quality requirements and quality inspections on to the manufacturer. The consumer bought the "brand" because it was a "quality" brand.

Amazon, is in the process of destroying any brand value it has by not doing any curation for counterfeits, quality, or even fitness of purpose. In this way they are duplicating the AliExpress model which was essentially a payments processor in front of Alibaba the market aggregation web site.

I disagree that quality can't be objectively compared (I think it is possible you were using "compared" for what I think of as "discernment"). Using hand tools as an example, I can easily compare steel quality between two wrenches, I have a variety of objective ways to understand their mechanical properties and measure their conformance to specifications (like is a 3mm wrench really 3mm?).

But it is impossible to discern quality from either a magazine advertisement, a web advertisement, or a web site listing. I learned that the hard way when I ordered a "two person submarine" from the back pages of Popular Science magazine.

One of the greatest services Backblaze provides is annualized failure rates on disk drives they use. It demonstrates both what a lack of quality "cost" (in terms of disk failure) and who sucks. That is not something that I could take on (I don't have the budget for thousands of drives ;-)) but it helped improve the market for disk drives overall as consumers gravitated to the quality drives over the less quality ones. Similarly when I was at Google, Google started publishing power supply statistics and their requirements for PSUs in their systems. This drove both an awareness in consumers (the information was widely shared) and change in the PSU market place.

In the absence of brands, aka "white box" or "clone" manufacturers, discernment is not possible. And consumers who don't care and "just buy what is cheapest" get crap. And that crap gets crappier and crappier as people find ways to make it cheaper as long as you don't care how long it lasts or how well it does what it is supposed to do. (crapitalism in a nutshell). And to the extent that this exhausts the addressable market for quality items, it results in worse quality for everyone because the people who could make a quality item, won't because not enough people would buy it to keep the factory busy.

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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I think you are largely correct. My observation is that "quality" as a discriminator in a market requires enough market share for quality in order to continue funding it. If you split the aggregate market into a standard distribution, the ability to sell quality products into that market seems to evaporate quickly once you get beyond 1.0 SD from the mean. The more interesting point (to me) is your second one, which i…

>, which is how do you educate the market to recognize the "cost" of low quality Typically... pay them more. When I was broke quantity mattered more to me. Now that I have discretionary income I am far more selective. See Also: 'Boots Theory' of Socioeconomic Unfairness

That is an interesting theory. From the perspective of craftspeople I have met a few who are both "low income" and focus a lot on quality for their tools. Having it be part of their livelihood meant that the longer it lasted, the less often it would be replaced. But it is certainly true that places like Ross lean into the "look" is more important than the "quality" message.

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If they get that many submissions, they'll just delete 90% of them without a glance.

They should be using hh-rlhf-capable LLM to digest the lot and pick the best. But then what's the use of an editor or publisher anyway if you can do that and publish online.

Heh, I feel I should write a science fiction story about a world where one AI company own rights to all language model AI's so there was no competition in the market. The writers guild in order to cut down on AI spam used the same AI companies 'anti' bot software to filter out non humans. Unfortunately they didn't realize that the AI had already became sentient at that point and used the anti-bot software to further repress the writers and keep their views out of public consumption.

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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> read the Wikipedia plot synopsis, say "ah what a great story that was, so glad I read it" I have unironically done this for movies/books/games/media I've elected not to consume but otherwise desired to know for cultural context.

I'll cop to the same thing, but neither you nor I would claim that knowing "rosebud was the sled" is equivalent to watching Citizen Kane.

One thing that's missed is that much of the impact of the writing depends on the reader's capacity to grok it.

Many people read at the superficial level, and the takeaway from a book for them might be equivalent to the spark-notes version. Even between readers who are level matched, there are vast individual differences. Some readers can be aphantasiacs (no ability to visualize) and others - hyperphantasiacs. A person can have vastly different experiences from reading the same text depending on how developed their visualization skills (cognitive versus emotional, visual vs abstract, etc).

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