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Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by jonathantf2 »

PreInternet01 wrote: post #5

More correct albeit less clickbaity headline: recent builds of Microsoft Edge will uninstall any remnants of Internet Explorer from your PC and replace them with compatibility shims, so most legacy apps should continue to work as-is. On Windows Server platforms, where IE11 is still inexplicably the default experience even in the most recent 2022 editions, you can still enjoy its full functionality, until you explicit…

Edge is shipped with Server 2022, assuming because Windows Admin Centre doesn’t support the only browser that 2019 came with out of the box

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by jonathantf2 »

Asmod4n wrote: post #72
PreInternet01 wrote: post #5

More correct albeit less clickbaity headline: recent builds of Microsoft Edge will uninstall any remnants of Internet Explorer from your PC and replace them with compatibility shims, so most legacy apps should continue to work as-is. On Windows Server platforms, where IE11 is still inexplicably the default experience even in the most recent 2022 editions, you can still enjoy its full functionality, until you explicit…

75% of PCs I had the pleasure today to „patch“ didn’t have IE Mode at all in edge, but still removed IE. Fun times.

IE mode has been around for ages, either push it through MDM or GPO.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by mulmen »

HideousKojima wrote: post #17
SQueeeeeL wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people have genuine use cases (or even simply have a preferred remembered experience experience for how something complicated works like an elderly person) I see no reason why they "should" upgrade, and why instead we shouldn't at least try to provide those users a mediocre amount of support. For the average Grandma who just wants to use Hotmail and Facebook, learning Edge is actually a monumental undertaking

For the elderly, this is why: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-26/p... I'd much rather Grandma have to learn to do something slightly differently than to hear about how Grandma had her bank account information stolen by some JavaScript malware. For those with genuine use cases (I.e. ancient software that doesn't even work with the compatibility shims) I agree that there should be some way to ru…

> I'd much rather Grandma have to learn to do something slightly differently

This attitude is responsible for more harm than any other single idea in software development.

Do not break your users.

You think you have a choice here but what really happens is Grandma stays on old software forever because the beatings have taught her to never update anything. And the really sad part is that she's right.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by rbanffy »

PreInternet01 wrote: post #5

More correct albeit less clickbaity headline: recent builds of Microsoft Edge will uninstall any remnants of Internet Explorer from your PC and replace them with compatibility shims, so most legacy apps should continue to work as-is. On Windows Server platforms, where IE11 is still inexplicably the default experience even in the most recent 2022 editions, you can still enjoy its full functionality, until you explicit…

> Which you should

... have done a long time ago.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by rbanffy »

cabalamat wrote: post #62
PreInternet01 wrote: post #5

More correct albeit less clickbaity headline: recent builds of Microsoft Edge will uninstall any remnants of Internet Explorer from your PC and replace them with compatibility shims, so most legacy apps should continue to work as-is. On Windows Server platforms, where IE11 is still inexplicably the default experience even in the most recent 2022 editions, you can still enjoy its full functionality, until you explicit…

> most legacy apps should continue to work *most* I recently had an issue with MS deleting IE and a corporate legacy app not working.

Compound interest over tech debt can snowball to quite impressive sizes.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by mandeepj »

nimbius wrote: post #45
PreInternet01 wrote: post #5

More correct albeit less clickbaity headline: recent builds of Microsoft Edge will uninstall any remnants of Internet Explorer from your PC and replace them with compatibility shims, so most legacy apps should continue to work as-is. On Windows Server platforms, where IE11 is still inexplicably the default experience even in the most recent 2022 editions, you can still enjoy its full functionality, until you explicit…

>and replace them with compatibility shims christ can you imagine the raw hubris in 1995 to roll this out and inexplicably make it not only uninstallable by the user, but a core and critical functionality of your entire OS such that any attempt to sidestep or evade it would be met with ruination? Its so bombastic the US Justice department hauls your pepsi sipping CEO in for a round of slouching, hand-waving antitrust…

Hilarious! That's one way to describe history of three decades of that company.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by rbanffy »

amelius wrote: post #38
bobjordan wrote: post #6

This is a serious problem for us in my business as our business banking software we are forced to use by our bank in mainland China still only works with IE. I spent an hour last night ultimately inputting shady commands into my registry, to try to force IE to open instead of being hijacked by edge. When an entire industry in a country refuses to upgrade what the hell? Of course I’m pissed the bank hadn’t upgraded bu…

Block Microsoft, and use a virtual machine that you copy before every session.

On VirtualBox it's easy to set the disks as immutable. The machine will come up, write to the disk and, when you reboot, it'll be back into the original state.

More than once I updated the VM only to realize I forgot to make the disk mutable.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by quickthrowman »

techwiz137 wrote: post #34
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #26

You shouldn't be using Internet Explorer at this point but Microsoft shouldn't be breaking your workflow either.

The problem is, that certain old software like Volvo's VIDA needs IE. And while Edge's IE Tab works it's much much slower in loading.

That sounds like a problem for Geely, not Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by justeleblanc »

nimbius wrote: post #45
PreInternet01 wrote: post #5

More correct albeit less clickbaity headline: recent builds of Microsoft Edge will uninstall any remnants of Internet Explorer from your PC and replace them with compatibility shims, so most legacy apps should continue to work as-is. On Windows Server platforms, where IE11 is still inexplicably the default experience even in the most recent 2022 editions, you can still enjoy its full functionality, until you explicit…

>and replace them with compatibility shims christ can you imagine the raw hubris in 1995 to roll this out and inexplicably make it not only uninstallable by the user, but a core and critical functionality of your entire OS such that any attempt to sidestep or evade it would be met with ruination? Its so bombastic the US Justice department hauls your pepsi sipping CEO in for a round of slouching, hand-waving antitrust…

Try to uninstall Safari from Mac OS or iOS, or Chrome from Android. Tell me how that works out for you.

Re: Microsoft is forcibly removing internet explorer from PCs

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Post by rbanffy »

horsawlarway wrote: post #60
nimbius wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and replace them with compatibility shims christ can you imagine the raw hubris in 1995 to roll this out and inexplicably make it not only uninstallable by the user, but a core and critical functionality of your entire OS such that any attempt to sidestep or evade it would be met with ruination? Its so bombastic the US Justice department hauls your pepsi sipping CEO in for a round of slouching, hand-waving antitrust…

This is a very strange comment. Personally... I absolutely understand exactly how they ended up in this situation. There are actually several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS, the top two easily understood ones are... --- 1. They've put a lot of work into the browser, and they've shared many components of it with other tooling. EX: Internet EXPLORER and EXPLORER the file system browser don't share their…

> several good reasons to embed the browser into the OS

It was actually a great feature (memory may be failing at this point), and it seemed like the filesystem viewer was IE presenting a filesystem view. If you typed an http or https URL, the window would turn into an HTML renderer window. This made it possible to build their mail and newsgroup reader apps as filesystem views. Mail was nothing but a folder full of email message files. News was, surprise, a folder full of newsgroups. Those viewers were responsible with synchronizing the folder with remote services.

I would love if Gnome would allow pluggable views in Files: a mail reader for maildir folders, a music player for folders full of audio files, and so on.

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