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That's 4-5B USD worth of fraud. This thing could actually be quite dangerous for TSLA. One class-action lawsuit around this and they're bankrupt. Edit: Dang, you're all right, they could eat this and still be alive. My whole sentiment comes from FSD being their big shot (and everything that comes with that, like the robotaxis and whatnot). Without FSD, they're "just another car company" and the market is already thri…
So are they recalling, or releasing a software fix?
It's technically a recall, but it's fixed with an OTA update. But the fact that any "defect" that can be fixed with an OTA update is called a "recall" is confusing to consumers and contributes to media sensationalism.
There absolutely needs to be a process overseen by regulators for car manufacturers to address software-based defects, but the name would benefit from being changed to reflect that it can be done without physically recalling the vehicle to the dealer.
Does a recall like this actually mean owners return their car to Tesla for modification? Or would it be an over-the-air update to remove FSD?
That was my first thought. Also what percentage of people who paid for "FSD" needed their car recalling?
It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.
The problem with systems where 99% is a failing grade, is that 99% of the time, they work great. The other 1% you die. No one is against FSD or safer tech. They are against Tesla's haphazard 2d vision-first FSD.
Wanna hear about this new fangled tech that avoids 100% of accidents, has fully-coordinated swarm robotics between all the cars, never swerves and can operate in all weather + lighting conditions ? It's called a street car.
The words 'road' and 'safety' should never be uttered in the the same sentence.
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is this the largest car recall in history? holy crap edit: looks like no.. the largest was 578607 cars... also by Tesla lol
Toyota, 2.9M: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/toyota-r...
Ford, 21M: https://247wallst.com/autos/2021/07/24/this-is-the-largest-c...
Takata airbags, possibly 100M+: https://www.carvertical.com/blog/top-10-worst-car-recalls-in...
> Yet even after the company declared bankruptcy in 2017, the Takata recall kept on giving. 65-70 million vehicles with faulty Takata airbags were recalled by the end of 2019, with approx. 42 million still to be recalled.
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> The auto safety regulator said the Tesla software allows a vehicle to "exceed speed limits or travel through intersections in an unlawful or unpredictable manner increases the risk of a crash." Tesla will release an over-the-air (OTA) software update, free of charge. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... Sounds like it's just a patch release with regulators involved.
I'm not sure how to reconcile that statement with how FSD beta works. Fine, the speed limit thing is easy to fix-- just cap the max speed to the speed limit. But the "[traveling] through intersections in an unlawful or unpredictable manner" is inherent to the FSD beta. Most of the time it does "fine", but there's some intersections where it will inexplicably swerve into different lanes and then correct itself. And th…
I'm hopeful about Tesla FSD, and don't think it necessarily needs to be perfect, just significantly better than humans. So I'm rooting for Tesla FSD/Autopilot overall. I just don't see how given the findings there is a solution without removing removing the entire FSD feature.
I still can't believe FSD Beta was allowed on public roads. I've had it since day 1, and oh my god. It behaves worse than a drunk teenager. All the updates since, have made it barely better. This needs to be pulled entirely and rethought.
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How about better public transit, encouraging people to use smaller cars, encouraging cycling with corresponding infrastructure, etc.