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A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Post by miguelazo »

solalf wrote: post #59
BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #44

US representatives and senators who spoke up against Israeli settlements tended to lose against opponents with AIPAC funding. It's been going on for decades. What we now see is an evolution into social media. Al Jazeera had prepared a story on the tentacles AIPAC had into US politics, but at the time Mohammed bin Salman was making serious noises about invading Qatar,one of the reasons being Al Jazeera's reportage. Th…

Saudi Arabia put up a blockade (with an Arab coalition support) of Qatar for a number of reasons[1], one of which being Al Jazeera’s incendiary (in their opinion) coverage of sensitive topics within the Arab world during the Arab Spring. Saudi Arabia wanted the channel shut down. They never intended to invade and the biggest factor was Qatar’s relationship with Iran (Saudi Arabia’s arch rival). The link with AIPAC? W…

Wrong. The lack of formal diplomatic relations means little. The Saudis became very friendly with Israel during the Trump administration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/open-secret-saudi-arabi...

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Post by miguelazo »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #50
BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #44

US representatives and senators who spoke up against Israeli settlements tended to lose against opponents with AIPAC funding. It's been going on for decades. What we now see is an evolution into social media. Al Jazeera had prepared a story on the tentacles AIPAC had into US politics, but at the time Mohammed bin Salman was making serious noises about invading Qatar,one of the reasons being Al Jazeera's reportage. Th…

I don’t understand the link between AIPAC and MBS here. Why would MBS want to suppress a story on AIPAC’s influence on US politics?

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/19/why-israel-quie...

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Post by miguelazo »

solalf wrote: post #59
BXLE_1-1-BitIs1 wrote: post #44

US representatives and senators who spoke up against Israeli settlements tended to lose against opponents with AIPAC funding. It's been going on for decades. What we now see is an evolution into social media. Al Jazeera had prepared a story on the tentacles AIPAC had into US politics, but at the time Mohammed bin Salman was making serious noises about invading Qatar,one of the reasons being Al Jazeera's reportage. Th…

Saudi Arabia put up a blockade (with an Arab coalition support) of Qatar for a number of reasons[1], one of which being Al Jazeera’s incendiary (in their opinion) coverage of sensitive topics within the Arab world during the Arab Spring. Saudi Arabia wanted the channel shut down. They never intended to invade and the biggest factor was Qatar’s relationship with Iran (Saudi Arabia’s arch rival). The link with AIPAC? W…

Additionally, the blockade you speak of was set up in retaliation for Qatar refusing to make a sucker's solo investment in the floundering Kushner real estate debacle.

https://www.justsecurity.org/69094/timeline-on-jared-kushner...

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Post by upsidesinclude »

epakai wrote: post #46
upsidesinclude wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the previous comment brought up Trump, which is clearly alluding to "Russian collusion". I'm fine with distaste for Trump and the realities of disinformation campaigns, but the focus of the Twitter files in this regard is clearly specific to the false Russia Trump connection propagated by Dem polticians and leftists.

There's enough there to remain suspicious. The Trump campaign hid their meetings with Russians (see Flynn's transition meetings). They lied about the purpose of the Trump tower meetings. They have claimed financial ties to Russian financial institutions in the past. None of these things are "false connections propagated by Dem politicians and leftists". They have made these connections evident through their own admis…

Keep your head in the sand all you like.

>There's enough there to remain suspicious.

Honestly, after years of the Democrats throwing everything they can at Trump, still nothing. Yet you persist.

Switch your focus to Biden perhaps, the current corrupt president that mishandled classified documents, has made a fortune off his political position.... see the similarities here? No? Of course not.

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Post by baremetal »

moremetadata wrote: post #43
baremetal wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Direct democracy with full vote transparency for every voter.

Why do you feel the need to hand over your decision making to someone else? I've seen no evidence that the democracy model employed across large parts of the western world and elsewhere, is anything other than criminal. Its like watching a punch and judy show where the public get to chose their puppets, but the shadowy puppeteers are lurking in the background, mainly wearing or have worn fancy dress.

what do you suggest?

Re: A hacking and disinformation team meddling in elections

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Post by user3939382 »

apstls wrote: post #85
user3939382 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's one universe -- this activity within the government you're citing culminated in the Mueller investigation's final report, which read "insufficient evidence of a criminal conspiracy". Let me translate that for you: the whole thing was a hoax from day 1, discussed non-stop by our de-facto state media corporate press, and pushed non-stop for years on the American public by the DNC which is the source of those docum…

This is effectively a strawman argument. My comment, and the one I was responding to, are discussing Russian meddling (as in election interference efforts) while you are discussing Trump-Russia collusion , a (very, very) small subset of the actual topic we were discussing. I do not understand your hand-wavey dismissal of the documents I linked to, as I do not understand how you could have checked their contents and c…

A very very small subset? I don’t think so, they accused the President of being a foreign agent for Moscow and talked about it in the media non stop for years.

The source of the dossier was charged for lying to the FBI. The funds for it were tied back directly to the Clinton campaign. I don’t see any ambiguity here, at all.

I can’t conclude collusion didn’t occur simply because there’s no evidence for it? Do you hear yourself?

Let’s be real dude. You’re an anti-Trump neoliberal whose been gobbling up this media propaganda, you’ve made it part of your identity, and you will twist and say anything to defend it. Your ears and mind is closed. You’re repeating the same line as before this mountain of evidence came out that this whole story line was a hoax. If someone really doesn’t want to be convinced of something they won’t be, that’s what’s going on here. You’re not looking for the truth, you’re trying to defend your tribe.

It’s exactly this type of tribalism that the uniparty in DC uses as a diversion to rob our country blind and it needs to stop.

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