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Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by emodendroket »

sbelskie wrote: post #4
jprd wrote: post #2

It is _super_ weird how little attention this derailment seems to be attracting.

I’ve seen a handful of national media outlets cover it without paying any particular attention. What level of attention should this story be getting?

I saw people on social media saying "wow this looks really bad" and had to put a fair amount of effort into finding stories on Apple News (where I usually read news stories) giving a rundown. Social media can certainly be prone to Chicken Little-ism but nobody seems to be questioning the line officials are giving here. If anything I think this might be a sign of how weak local news reporting has become. No doubt this would be of interest if it happened in the vicinity of New York City or Los Angeles.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by emodendroket »

User23 wrote: post #27
auctoritas wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does JD Vance have anything to do with this

Here’s my attempt at a steel man: JD Vance is one of the bad guys on the bad guys team. Whenever bad things happen it’s the bad guys’ fault. I’m aware that sounds like a pretty poor alloy, but it’s internally consistent, matches the observables, and I can’t really honestly do better. Edit: The point of this is to explain what this derailment has to do with JD Vance. Any reply that fails to explain why JD Vance is som…

If you were actually trying to "steel man" wouldn't you say "policies which make this type of industrial accident more likely" rather than "policies that are bad/you disagree with," which makes it sound childish and random?

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by EvanAnderson »

mdip wrote: post #49
bamboozled wrote: post #8

So this is Palestine, in America ?

It's pretty common throughout the US, but there's a section of Ohio that I recall driving through which has several cities named for European and Asian countries. I had a girlfriend early in college who's grandmother lived deep in rural Ohio; we visited the area frequently and it involved driving past several. A bit of obscure trivia I learned while down there, "Russia, Ohio" is pronounced like "Roo-She". I was told…

Yeah... Russia. >sighI’m about 40 miles from Russia, OH. We’ve also got Versailles (pronounced like the “ver” in “verb” and “sales”), Houston (pronounced “house ton”), Lima (long I, like the bean), and Eldorado (long A) all in a 100 mile radius. We have some Native American names for cities and counties, too.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by emodendroket »

arp242 wrote: post #34
dhbanes wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/09/us/newsnation-reporter-ar...

Things like "he was told to stop speaking during the governor's remarks" and "asked Lambert to stop his live reporting because they believed it was loud and disruptive" seems to indicate it's a situation escalating because ... I don't know, I wasn't there, and there doesn't seem to be any footage of these incidents. Hard to tell who is "at fault".

I think the PR desk of the people accused of improperly arresting a journalist may not be an entirely neutral source for accounts of what happened.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by soundsgoodtome »

shevis wrote: post #61
orange_joe wrote: post #23

It's worth mentioning the backdrop of this is the current drive toward PSR (precision scheduled railroading), which has meant overworking train engineers with improved "efficiencies" through extremely long trains, and overworked employees. This has greatly increased the value of the train companies on the stock market, but at the expense of the workers (this came to a head a few months ago with pending labor strikes…

This is yet another symptom of shareholders becoming the primary customer. The strong incentive for short-term profit results in strategic decision-making that is both financially riskier and more ethically dubious in the long term.

Ok. Do you realize that most of us are the shareholders? This is a Fortune 500 company. Most of our 401ks include blended Fortune 500 holdings.

I keep hearing this rhetoric around social media… Do people not realize that there is a cost to our retirement funds always having to increase in value?

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by wpm »

soundsgoodtome wrote: post #95
shevis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is yet another symptom of shareholders becoming the primary customer. The strong incentive for short-term profit results in strategic decision-making that is both financially riskier and more ethically dubious in the long term.

Ok. Do you realize that most of us are the shareholders? This is a Fortune 500 company. Most of our 401ks include blended Fortune 500 holdings. I keep hearing this rhetoric around social media… Do people not realize that there is a cost to our retirement funds always having to increase in value?

Hey champ if my 401k earning slightly less means not chem-Chernobyling small town USA or working people to death, that’s fine by me.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by eurasiantiger »

wpm wrote: post #96
soundsgoodtome wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. Do you realize that most of us are the shareholders? This is a Fortune 500 company. Most of our 401ks include blended Fortune 500 holdings. I keep hearing this rhetoric around social media… Do people not realize that there is a cost to our retirement funds always having to increase in value?

Hey champ if my 401k earning slightly less means not chem-Chernobyling small town USA or working people to death, that’s fine by me.

I’d bet there is an industry of white collar traders getting rich off the 401k mechanism, never putting in a dime of their own money.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by TomSwirly »

emodendroket wrote: post #89
hedora wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related to this, the railworkers rejected their current labor contract, but congress and Biden intervened, blocking a strike two months ago: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-signs-bill-block-us-r...

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the reporting on this incident I have come across is making these links.

Now you're asking that question, you might also ask why we saw more news stories days ago about this derailment in the European media than we did in the US.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by TomSwirly »

soundsgoodtome wrote: post #95
shevis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is yet another symptom of shareholders becoming the primary customer. The strong incentive for short-term profit results in strategic decision-making that is both financially riskier and more ethically dubious in the long term.

Ok. Do you realize that most of us are the shareholders? This is a Fortune 500 company. Most of our 401ks include blended Fortune 500 holdings. I keep hearing this rhetoric around social media… Do people not realize that there is a cost to our retirement funds always having to increase in value?

> Do you realize that most of us are the shareholders? [...] Most of our 401ks

Only 60 million Americans have a 401k.

Also, the idea that an American owning a portfolio of stocks in a 401k means that they are responsible for all the immoral actions taken by each company is absolutely and totally ridiculous.

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