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WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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All cause mortality is lower among light drinkers than non-drinkers. Small doses of harms are typically beneficial. Not all harm is bad, and safety is not always desirable.

I know you’re trying to be clever but harm is definitionally bad.

I think he is referring to hormetic stress. But WHO says the same about lead… there is no safe level. I wouldn’t want to stress my body lightly with a light amount of lead.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Reading through the comments here there seems to be much negative sentiment against this study. But what they are right? What if alcohol is actually just bad for you full stop. Would this really be that shocking or controversial that a known poison is poisonous?

I guess people can make their own deductions as to good or bad. Alcohol is mostly detoxified in the body by two enzymes. Alcohol dehydrogenase breaks down alcohol to acetaldehyde which is a highly toxic substance and a known carcinogen. Acetaldehyde is then thankfully further metabolized to acetate (harmless) and thence to water and carbon dioxide. Neither alcohol or acetaldehyde are exactly friendly to cells to put it mildly. As we know, the former is an excellent preservative once the cells are dead.

As with the rest of life, it's a balance of risks. Having the right genes may be helpful. Jeanne Calment lived to 111 and apparently enjoyed a daily spot of port.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Ethanol is metabolized to acetaldehyde in the body. Acetaldehyde causes DNA damage. https://academic.oup.com/carcin/article/43/1/52/6373372

UV too. So basically direct exposure to Sun light should be avoided. edit: UV do cause DNA damage, so following the same logic, no amount of Sun light can be considered safe. Which is true, but the effects are usually negligible, so, as usual, common sense is your best friend.

Windows and doors should come with cancer warnings.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Well according to the American Cancer Society, alcoholic beverages are a Group 1 Carcinogen. Right up there with Asbestos, UV radiation, Tobacco smoke, and Diesel exhaust. https://www.cancer.org/healthy/cancer-causes/general-info/kn... There probably a story somewhere as to why cigarettes get big labels and beer cans don't.

It’s a matter of proportion. A normal smoking habit puts somebody at (if I remember correctly) something like a 50% chance of dying early from a smoking-caused disease. As another reply to your commenter said, as much as 90% of lung cancers are cause by smoking. In comparison, this study is talking about an estimated 4.1% of cancer cases being attributable to alcohol, and only 13.3% of that for the ‘light to moderate’ category, which many would consider still a fairly substantial consumption.

It’s not nothing, and yes, there needs to be stronger messaging about the dangers of heavy drinking, binge drinking etc., but having a couple (2-4) of beers or glasses of wine a week is not massively increasing your risk of cancer, much more than just living somewhere with high UV or a lot of roads.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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> To identify a “safe” level of alcohol consumption, valid scientific evidence would need to demonstrate that at and below a certain level, there is no risk of illness or injury associated with alcohol consumption that's such a broken premise that everything that comes after that must be broken as well. We could prove, using the same logic, that "no level of life consumption is safe for our health" It is impossible t…

How many of those car accidents are related to alcohol consumption?

It's the same all over the World, the majority of car accidents happen during daylight, caused by drivers' distractions, AKA smartphones nowadays.

So WHO should publish a paper where it says "no amount of smartphone usage is safe for your health, you better drink a beer after a walk in the woods"

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think the fact that smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. I'd be curious if cooking with wine falls into this category of affecting others. For example, at a restaurant if a meal has a little bit of wine in its sauce will that be listed on the menu or would it be added behind the scenes sort of like you wouldn't expect to see "garlic powder" or "pepper" listed on…

For most recipes involving wine, the alcohol in the dish will have evaporated long before it arrives at your table.

Friend of mine in recovery pointed out recently that this isn't true. In fact depending on the other ingredients and cooking duration, there may well be quite a bit of alcohol by volume in any 'wine sauce' or similar dish. It's the water that will evaporate first

"Meats and baked goods that are cooked for 25 minutes without being stirred retain 45 percent of alcohol."

https://www.isu.edu/news/2019-fall/no-worries-the-alcohol-bu...

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the story is that cigarettes are well researched and documented to cause agressive lung cancers, heart disease and many other problems. the story on alcohol is much less clear and even if true, much lower risk

This is correct. Do you know what percent of lung cancer is attributable to smoking? 90%! 9/10 lung cancer deaths are attributable to smoking. Compare this to ~5% of cancer related death attributable to alcohol use. It's just not even an accurate comparison. To be honest though? I am willing to bet that cost to healthcare system for alcohol related illness is outpacing that of smoking related illness. Cirrhosis of th…

cost to healthcare is certainly high where some individuals are concerned, as any one who has been in accident & emergency on a saturday night will observe.

but of course the vast majority of people that drink on saturday night do NOT end up in A&E.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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post #25

Well according to the American Cancer Society, alcoholic beverages are a Group 1 Carcinogen. Right up there with Asbestos, UV radiation, Tobacco smoke, and Diesel exhaust. https://www.cancer.org/healthy/cancer-causes/general-info/kn... There probably a story somewhere as to why cigarettes get big labels and beer cans don't.

Possibly because beer can be fun and cigarettes are just highly addictive

Sometime its other way around.
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