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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

I use an iPhone X (released 2017) and I wish it kept up with modern app performance requirements. The iPhone X doesn't support built-in OCR in images and apps take 1-2s longer to launch than my iPhone 13. Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

Apps taking longer to launch is generally a RAM issue (unless you swipe up and force-close your apps each time).

They drastically increased RAM recently: https://9to5mac.com/2022/12/31/iphone-ram-list/

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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At this point I really don't care about what is the latest and greatest in phones They are all the same at this point, we are way past when Specs actually mattered(outside of JS performance on mobile, thank you Snapdragon!), they are just too small for anything useful, at least for me personally. I just buy a pixel and install GrapheneOS/CalyxOS on it, and call it a day. Its a phone that works, and I can relatively t…

Why buy a Pixel only to replace the OS? Pixels are basically minimum viable hardware to deliver Google software. Without the Google software, its just a mid-range phone at high-end prices.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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I traded a galaxy S3 + 3 year agreement in for a free S22; can you do that with an iPhone? Seems like we are comparing a free phone to a many hundreds of dollars phone.

You paid with the agreement; it’s factored into the plan prices. Yes, you can get similar deals with carriers for an iPhone.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Why anyone would get a Samsung is beyond me. The amount of bloatware they install is insane and a lot of that you can't even uninstall. Plus it takes so long to get OS updates. And then there is Bixby or what that piece of shit is called.

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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post #29

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

I use an iPhone X (released 2017) and I wish it kept up with modern app performance requirements. The iPhone X doesn't support built-in OCR in images and apps take 1-2s longer to launch than my iPhone 13. Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow.

Makes you wonder how things get slow overtime, even phones from 5 years are very powerful, the app we use are simple so what gives?

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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This doesn't really showcase how much Apple's chips are as much as how far Qualcom has fallen behind.

On the other hand, the results also show how much work Apple will need to put into their GPUs, as the clearly inferior chip is still beating the iPhone 14 hands down in terms of GPU horsepower.

The relevant review, though, is performance per watt. This video (https://youtu.be/s0ukXDnWlTY) from a few months ago explores the power efficiency graphs and that's probably what most phone users really want. Nobody is gaming on their phone until it hits the limits of passive cooling and very few people will need the raw CPU performance for more than a second per page load. I don't even know what intensive single core benchmarks are even good for in real life, maybe Javascript if you're somehow running the JS VM at 100% for minutes straight? That doesn't sound like something I'd want my phone to do!

Qualcom's advancements in speed and longevity have been incremental, sometimes even decremental, for years now. Mediatek, previously the chipset for every 100 dollar Chinese phone, keeps closing while Qualcom desperately tries to squeeze just a little more juice out of their cores.

Apple's progress is also slowing down, but not nearly as much as their most important competitor's. It's a shame, really. Hopefully Google and Microsoft will develop their own chips for real in the future because you can't just wait for Qualcom anymore. Microsoft REALLY wants a good M1/2 competitor but the other chips in the ARM space just aren't up for the task. I'm sure Google would also love for their Chromebooks to become more powerful, though their own mobile devices seem to focus on midrange performance with benefits in software and dedicated silicon instead of fast general purpose compute.

In the end, I have no horse in the game because I don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon. My current phone is more than fast enough for my needs. The battery is slowly fading but as long as I can still get through the day I'm satisfied. With the absolutely ridiculous prices of phones these days, I'm putting off an "upgrade" for as long as I can.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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I like my slower android in which I can run my browser engine of choice, install any program I want in an easy way without time limitations and customize it in general as I want. Did I mention that it has a USB-C connector too? Disclaimer: I have an old iphone, used iphone 11 for weeks then went back to Android and I daily drive a M1 Pro Macbook

Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions - sure, iOS lets you have (somewhat weaker) adblock, but there's a whole world of useful extensions beyond that. And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers, and some of us like to be able to use less-hobbled software on them.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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I legit wish they had any competitors doing the thing they do even almost as well. It's worrisome that there's nowhere to turn if Apple goes to shit (I'm very worried about their growing advertising income) that's not a significant downgrade in overall UX.

My experimentation with apple products started and ended with ipods. Their insistence to use itunes for putting music on the device eventually turned me away. I've used about a half dozen hardware music players. The ipod UX was easily the worst because of this, even compared to the Diamond Rio PMP300, which was powered with an AA battery. I don't doubt the apple has good UX for some things. But if you think they're m…

Eh, I came to them after about 15 years of thinking Apple users were kinda culty and must be wrong about how good Apple stuff is, and mostly running Linux (though I started on Windows/DOS). No, they're that good, overall. They do fuck up or do annoying things pretty often (requiring iTunes for iPods would be one of those things) but every other option (and there... aren't that many, really) is so much worse that they've yet to push me to switch. I'd love to see a real competitor.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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what choice is that? firefox or chrome based skins? a duopoly is not a choice. however silly it is, apple's silly browser rule is the only thing standing in full on chrome monoculture. chrome is the new ie.

Firefox on Android uses Gecko.

> what choice is that? firefox-based or chrome-based browsers? a duopoly is not a choice.

I think that's what GP meant.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

#100
Just yesterday I was trying to generate a vanity pub key for Nostr. I was using https://github.com/kdmukai/nostr_vanity_npub which uses the python-nostr library which in turn uses https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1.

The test (single thread with -j1 flag) has some interesting result. Time taken to calculate 1 million keys:

i7 8650U=2m5s, Oracle Cloud A1 VM=3m30s, Ryzen ThreadRipper Pro 3945WX=3m30s, GCE VM Xeon 2.2Ghz=6m.

So in this particular use case, an 8th gen Intel mobile CPU is the winner. Would you want to use 8650U based on this test result? Probably not.

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