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Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by krono »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #62
krono wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must agree this is completely unjustifiable: > In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008. On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250 employees due to shrinking revenues. B…

Not particularly. From 2008 to 2018, their revenue grew more than 400%, and much of that was due to executives doing a better job selling the search deal. Then getting more money when you become CEO seems normal.

Revenue is about the only thing that might have improved. The meat and potatoes certainly haven't.

Edit: was not my intention to make this sound so unfair to the moz employees and contributors - it's all on management

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by medo-bear »

jacooper wrote: post #88
medo-bear wrote: post #63

i think mobile users are unaware how good firefox+ublock origin is. i constantly get bombarded by disgusting adds while browsing news portals, cooking recipes, etc. imagine reading about some great cooking ideas and midway through you see an advertisement for "revolutionary medication for foot fungus" with before and after pictures to show. and yes this happens even in "private" tabs. if anything mozilla should give…

Its really buggy on android. I find Brave to be much brave on mobile, and on desktop its much better on the security side, especially on Linux.

i have not found this to be the case at all

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by pbasista »

lovich wrote: post #38
midoridensha wrote: post #2

Just reading the beginning, it looks like they're mainly complaining about proprietary OS vendors restricting users' choice in browsers through various shenanigans. Linux users (for desktop systems) don't have this problem, and for mobile, Android users can easily install Firefox (or better yet, Firefox Nightly) through the Google Play store and set it to be the default browser. Basically, if you want to have choice…

>...(or better yet, Firefox Nightly) ... I think this is some of the disconnect between users on this site who don't understand why people would possibly actively choose iOS even with the lockin. Most people do not want to use a product that is constantly updating and adding features in that are going to be taken out shortly, for something as basic nowadays as web browsing. If you're on the cool new technology people…

> The restrictions are a feature and not a bug.

The point of open OS is not to force its users to use unvetted apps. It is to give them an option to do so.

The argument that someone might want to use a restricted OS because they want to only use vetted apps is flawed. The reason is that the users can use an open OS in the exactly same way, if they choose to do so.

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by rwmj »

cedilla wrote: post #77
rerdavies wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have $1.1 billion dollars in net assets. How is that NOT drowning in money?!

They are a company, not a single person. 1.1 billion is only three times their yearly expenses.

That's part of the problem.

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by mihaaly »

frameset wrote: post #82
medo-bear wrote: post #63

i think mobile users are unaware how good firefox+ublock origin is. i constantly get bombarded by disgusting adds while browsing news portals, cooking recipes, etc. imagine reading about some great cooking ideas and midway through you see an advertisement for "revolutionary medication for foot fungus" with before and after pictures to show. and yes this happens even in "private" tabs. if anything mozilla should give…

I do try and evangalise for it when I'm with others and they complain about ads on their android web browsers. But it's a tough sell these days.

There was a lightly visited portal (news) that I got used to and started to bug me to turn off my adblocker (uBlock) if I want to read their materials (I do not call their duplicated things fetched from here and there articles).

I stopped visiting them.

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by medo-bear »

frameset wrote: post #82
medo-bear wrote: post #63

i think mobile users are unaware how good firefox+ublock origin is. i constantly get bombarded by disgusting adds while browsing news portals, cooking recipes, etc. imagine reading about some great cooking ideas and midway through you see an advertisement for "revolutionary medication for foot fungus" with before and after pictures to show. and yes this happens even in "private" tabs. if anything mozilla should give…

I do try and evangalise for it when I'm with others and they complain about ads on their android web browsers. But it's a tough sell these days.

yeah evangelising anything hardly works. people in large are always hesitant to move away from the familiar. i find show and tease works better :)

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by usrbinbash »

anders_p wrote: post #76
loup-vaillant wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me, your conclusion doesn't seem to follow from your premises. I mean, "Please OS vendor I want something simple. That hidden `sideload` option is complicated, please lock down my machine." Like, seriously? No one's that stupid. Sure most people want a decent, clear default option, but no one want that to be the only option. At least not for themselves. Because for some reason I see many people arguing that ot…

"No one's that stupid" 99.9% of people are not like you. They barely even know the difference between Windows and Google. People who got online when smartphones entered the scene have a difficult time when I try to explain what "folders" and "files" are. I do a lot of tech support for family and friends. They NEVER enter settings or preferences for their OS or their browser. They're afraid they'll "break something".…

I wholeheartedly agree; locking down systems is a feature, not a bug.

I would go even further and say it's not just so in the users minds, it is also so in the admins mind, whether that's a business setting where we have to make sure thousands of workers don't accidentially brick their PC (or worse: cause an infosec issue), or a family setting.

Though I have to say, that lockdown-feature comes with a rather heavy price tag attached, because, well, the systems in question do a whole lot more than just make the locking down easy, do they?

It would be great if commonly used Linux Desktop Environments allowed for a switchable (with root-privileges) "Lockdown". I'm aware that this is possible already, but requires too many steps and is too error-prone. What I want is a simple on/off-cmd offered directly by the Desktop-Suite for me to issue as root.

That would allow people like you and me to setup computers for non technical people to use easily, whith the benefits of both an open system, and the stability a locked down system provides.

Re: Browsers are essential and how operating systems are holding them back (2022) [pdf] (2022)

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Post by pmlnr »

medo-bear wrote: post #63

i think mobile users are unaware how good firefox+ublock origin is. i constantly get bombarded by disgusting adds while browsing news portals, cooking recipes, etc. imagine reading about some great cooking ideas and midway through you see an advertisement for "revolutionary medication for foot fungus" with before and after pictures to show. and yes this happens even in "private" tabs. if anything mozilla should give…

I gave up on FF on android, it's abysmal. The best browser UI on android goes to Lightning https://f-droid.org/en/packages/acr.browser.lightning/ but it's essentially abandoned - even though it uses the system webview, it can still be a problem. The next is Bromite https://www.bromite.org/ which is significantly nicer and faster, and FF on Android, with built-in ad blocking.

On desktop, FF is still my choice, but the android one is a bad joke.

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