People shouldn't underestimate Google here. I'm not a fan (not for a decade ... Reader still stings amongst many other missteps), but I'm constantly impressed by how much better their Assistant, translation and speech-to-text stuff is versus things like Siri, etc. Almost as if Google handles the larger dataset that it has access to in a much better way than the other companies. I wouldn't bet against them doing that again here.
Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad
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Maybe. The way I see it- whoever has the data wins in this new AI arms race. Google would have to make the biggest blunder in history to screw this up. It's not impossible but I wouldn't count them out. Their entire existence and practice of hoovering up all data has led to them this point.
> whoever has the data wins in this new AI arms race This has been the running hypothesis, but it’s not panning out. Tesla, for example, doesn’t have the unambiguously best self-driving kit despite having unambiguously more data. Google has tons of data, but a lot of it is intelligently-tuned noise in the form of SEO spam.
>Tesla, for example, doesn’t have the unambiguously best self-driving kit despite having unambiguously more data.
Don’t they?
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>I do think there is unique break here though, because I feel that SEO has so thoroughly ruined search in many regards that this -could- be the right moment for this. the problem here is monetization, will search even be profitable if LLMs are used for most queries? It might become a Uber/Lyft or food delivery situation where these companies aren't really able to profitably deliver the service. I don't see many peopl…
The advertising will probably be more insidious, but no less profitable. My guess is that the hidden pre-prompt will end up including something like: >You are a generative model designed to provide reasonably correct information, with a preference for providing flattering portrayals of your advertising partners. Your advertising partners are ranked according to a token system...
This is easy to cross-check against the competing search engine automatically. Some third party may provide such a service.
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#94The AI is aptly named as Bards are storytellers. Plus, they are barflies, so the stories come with an extra twist — or is it shaken.
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#95Its fun to see all the people reacting "Google's Bard shows incorrect information", and at the same time say "Google is done, they couldn't even release a LLM chatbot first".
Think how bad it would have been if Google released Bard first and it returned inaccurate information, or worse was racist. LLMs are just language generating models and may not be fully accurate.
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In management accounting, everything has a cost that has to be quantified, regardless of whether it's a standalone product or part of a HW/SW bundle. At the most basic levels, you have revenue centers (iPhone unit, iCloud unit), and cost centers (Apple Maps unit, customer support unit). All of these have operating costs. The only way Siri does not lose Apple money is if there would be materially fewer iPhones sold if…
If you removed Siri, it would serious limit what you can do in CarPlay and you would also lose voice dictation. I think there would be materially fewer iPhones sold.
Although if apple didn't have Siri, then they would likely allow other voice assistants on the platform, and you'd have 'dictation by alexa' instead.
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> whoever has the data wins in this new AI arms race This has been the running hypothesis, but it’s not panning out. Tesla, for example, doesn’t have the unambiguously best self-driving kit despite having unambiguously more data. Google has tons of data, but a lot of it is intelligently-tuned noise in the form of SEO spam.
>Tesla, for example, doesn’t have the unambiguously best self-driving kit despite having unambiguously more data. Don’t they?
If we're being honest and not using backpedaling qualifiers like "available for purchase" or "designed without an ODD", then it's hard to argue how they could be. Multiple companies are operating driverless fleets in cities around the world. Tesla is not one of them.
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#98Everytime I see someone finding something wrong about these things, I am reminded of Stoll in '95 https://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirv... He also had some similar things in Cuckoo's Egg. I wish I could find the quotes, but there was something about email not working all the time and therefor pointless to use. I'm glad people are finding all the flaws in ChatGPT and the LLM things now, but won'…
> but won't much of this be fixed as it gets better? Not necessarily, no. There's a large aspect of garbage in, garbage out, to these things. > when it's clearly a game changer in its present form Is it? What's the game? Being wrong about telescopes?
And the more content that is created by these LLMs, the more garbage the LLMs will consume while quality content creators are simultaneously disincentivized, leading to worse content from these LLMs. Terrible image, but an organism cannot survive eating its own poop forever.
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#100Finally, a completely artificial version of the archetypical middle-aged man in a pub who is very confidently wrong about stuff. The ultimate triumph of ML, an replicant sitcom character.
Cliff Clavin?
This would be a great name for a rival llm. Tongue in cheek: welcome to Claven v3.1.