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Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

bradgessler wrote: post #70
corywatilo wrote: post #69

Netlify lost my trust a year ago when they tried to increase our company's pricing more than 10x. (We were paying ~$200/mo, then they tried to force us into a $2,500+ plan because we were 1 seat over their self-serve threshold.) From my perspective, they were adding features just to find ways to grow revenue. (I get it, you don't have a huge moat by simply hosting static sites.) But their features seemed very out of…

Is there a “back to the basics” company or offering for hosting static sites that is essentially what Netlify was when it launched?

Just get a $5 digital ocean droplet and throw nginx on it. All the static hosting in the world at your fingertips.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by maccard »

corywatilo wrote: post #78
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like they behaved exactly how you expected them to. You can't get upset because the threshold was passed.

IIRC they had recently added a user cap on self-serve customers which was new and led to this. The new pricing deck they sent was "It will be $3,500/mo, but until the end of the month, you can get it for only $2,500!" (Pricing approx.) $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous.

> $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous.

But it's not to host a static site, it's one click CD, multiple environments, global CDN, and a few more things. I'm not going to say how mu h it is worth, but if you just want a static site with a domain you can do it for free/sub $10 on many many providers.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by rich_harris »

rsstack wrote: post #56
9dev wrote: post #55

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Counter to this, there’s SvelteKit, for example, which provides „adapters“ for the different platforms, eg. Netlify, Vercel and Cloudflare. I hope that’s the way we’re going to oppose this movement as a whole.

That's how they all worked before being acquired. SK is Vercel now too and we don't know yet how it'll change over time.

Svelte creator and Vercel employee here. Vercel does indeed invest heavily in Svelte and SvelteKit, not least by employing me and Simon Holthausen (and potentially others in future), but there's no danger of lock-in — we're just two members of a much larger core team. Governance-wise, it's an independent project, and we'd be thrilled if other companies also chose to employ core team members! You can see pull requests like https://github.com/sveltejs/kit/pull/8740 as an example of how we approach the relationship between SvelteKit and Vercel — we're adding a new feature and Vercel will be the first adapter that gets to take advantage of it, but we're careful to design the feature in a platform-agnostic way (we even @'d a Netlify engineer to make sure that they're aware of the work in case they also want to take advantage of it).

Anyway, I'm sure this will be said elsewhere in the thread but it bears repeating — the Next team similarly works hard to make sure that your Next apps can be self-hosted and run on other platforms.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by mox1 »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #91
bradgessler wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a “back to the basics” company or offering for hosting static sites that is essentially what Netlify was when it launched?

Just get a $5 digital ocean droplet and throw nginx on it. All the static hosting in the world at your fingertips.

And all of the infrastructure management for free!!!!

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by CharlesW »

maccard wrote: post #92
corywatilo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC they had recently added a user cap on self-serve customers which was new and led to this. The new pricing deck they sent was "It will be $3,500/mo, but until the end of the month, you can get it for only $2,500!" (Pricing approx.) $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous.

> $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous. But it's not to host a static site, it's one click CD, multiple environments, global CDN, and a few more things. I'm not going to say how mu h it is worth, but if you just want a static site with a domain you can do it for free/sub $10 on many many providers.

> But it's not to host a static site, it's one click CD, multiple environments, global CDN, and a few more things.

What can you do for $2,500 on Netlify you can't do on Vercel for $20/user/month?

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by 0x457 »

corywatilo wrote: post #81
jakelazaroff wrote: post #74

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> From my perspective, they were adding features just to find ways to grow revenue. Why else would they add features?

Try to solve user problems? (Maybe they were, just not ours.)

Only reasons to solve problems:

- keep existing paying clients

- get new paying clients

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by reducesuffering »

LunaSea wrote: post #89
reducesuffering wrote: post #77

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Check the 5 year chart trajectory: https://npmtrends.com/gatsby-vs-next and https://insights.stackoverflow.com/trends?tags=gatsby%2Cnext...

What are the alternatives?

Next.js the comparison shown in those charts

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by benackles »

Alifatisk wrote: post #57
joshmanders wrote: post #45

Vercel has Next.js, Shopify just acquired Remix, now Netlify Gatsby. This is bad news for full stack JavaScript applications and ecosystem. This is gonna cause vendor lock-in, it's already showing in some of them. Open source is losing and something needs to change. I am seeing a future where you have to rewrite your whole app in a different framework just to change hosts.

Didn’t Astro support multiple frameworks at once?

Astro's Island Architecture supports selectively including multiple component frameworks / JavaScript libraries (React, Vue, Svelte, etc..) for interactivity.

Gatsby's Vahalla Content Hub supports multiple (not all at once) meta frameworks like Next.js, Gatsby, Nuxt, Remix, SvelteKit, etc...

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by winrid »

si1entstill wrote: post #50
qbasic_forever wrote: post #39

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It's pretty tightly coupled to webpack and has a reputation for being extremely slow to rebuild a site. Fine for small sites but I've heard of painful multiple minute long rebuild cycles for large sites with a lot of content.

They give you really nice incremental builds out of the box, which are particularly easy to set up with gatsby cloud (the actual purchase here). Their abstractions are more opinionated, but a lot more "just works" off the shelf with configuration instead of coding.

This - what I wanted was the incremental builds. Also lots of nice starter templates. I have a custom framework I created for incrementally built docs sites for FastComments - but in the future I was looking into Gatsby for marketing/doc sites.

I am not really a NextJS fan. WordPress is an option but I like having the docs in version control.

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