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Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by lproven »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #90
lproven wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's based on Ubuntu, but it's not a remix. It's too different to be one: - no Snap - Flatpak instead - Most standard Ubuntu apps missing - In-house replacements for many Ubuntu standard components: their own browser, their own email client, their own calendar, their own media player, etc. You can install the Pantheon desktop environment on standard Ubuntu. https://askubuntu.com/questions/66757/how-to-install-th…

English surprisingly (to most) is a second language for me so apologies, I always seem to forget the little nuance. Also, I really just want their "Code" editor, but I don't want the headache of compiling it, I want it installed as a package, but its a pain to find it for me, not sure if I'm Googling incorrectly, but their editors name is not SEO friendly at all.

Ok then, you're forgiven. ;-)

As for the editor, I guess you mean this?

https://github.com/elementary/code

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by giancarlostoro »

lproven wrote: post #91
giancarlostoro wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English surprisingly (to most) is a second language for me so apologies, I always seem to forget the little nuance. Also, I really just want their "Code" editor, but I don't want the headache of compiling it, I want it installed as a package, but its a pain to find it for me, not sure if I'm Googling incorrectly, but their editors name is not SEO friendly at all.

Ok then, you're forgiven. ;-) As for the editor, I guess you mean this? https://github.com/elementary/code

Yep! That's the one, its really nicely done, I'm surprised no other distro has adopted it or pulled it into their package management. It's not an overtly complicated editor I don't think, looks to be using standard GTK components which is actually really nice.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by nsxwolf »

pqb wrote: post #41
nsxwolf wrote: post #2

At this point in my life I'm just not willing to look at a desktop environment besides macOS and Windows unless it is completely different . Is there anything out there that is trying radical new concepts and not just trying to emulate macOS/Windows/Gnome/KDE et al?

I noticed in one of your comments in this thread that you are looking for new ideas for UI. As other commenters have said, you might be interested in tiling window managers like i3 [0] or sway [1]. They really are a gem for productivity and sometimes for the eye [2]. However, I love the concept of a scrollable window manager like PaperWM [3]. When I had a smaller screen (24" 16:9) I complained a lot about the unused…

PaperWM is interesting. My only experience with scrolling desktops has been bad - because it was a remote desktop connection on a too-small monitor. You're fighting with windows-within-a-window quirkcs and guest/host issues. But when the entire local desktop experience is based around the idea that could change things.

I may try it out. It sounds a bit like playing a real time strategy game with a large scrollable map, something I'm very used to.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by 6451937099 »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #18

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

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Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by lproven »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #92
lproven wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok then, you're forgiven. ;-) As for the editor, I guess you mean this? https://github.com/elementary/code

Yep! That's the one, its really nicely done, I'm surprised no other distro has adopted it or pulled it into their package management. It's not an overtly complicated editor I don't think, looks to be using standard GTK components which is actually really nice.

It's in a few places, but it's not a helpful name!

https://archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/pantheon-cod...

https://www.freshports.org/editors/elementary-code/

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by 28304283409234 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #47
kitsunesoba wrote: post #18

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either. That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure y…

Upgrades? I just make a backup of my homedir to an external SSD. Flatpaks are recognized straight after reinstalling the (upgraded) OS, and the odd .deb package I install takes seconds.

I like the freshness of a new install. Crispy!

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by 28304283409234 »

hugs wrote: post #63
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #56

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I 100% agree, they can prioritize however they want, but please for the love of well-meaning techies, drop the "replacement for Windows and macOS" talk, and make a pop-up warning that reinstallation is going to be necessary in the future before you download, so that you don't spread it everywhere only to discover you've just sunk everyone. It's really not that hard, just a "Note: Elementary OS does not support in-pla…

Yeah, the lack of a sane upgrade path really is a massive issue that should be labeled more clearly. (And a headline level bullet point in any written review of it.) The lack of a sane upgrade path completely undercuts their marketing message.

Seriously, how is this a big deal? Make a backup of $HOME, restore it after fresh install of OS. Done!

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by linuxlonewolf »

smoldesu wrote: post #43
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #40

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Which part is similar?

Speaking for myself here: - No AppIndicators in default spec - All UI is scaled to work for touch interfaces - Default windowing support amounts to split-screen - App "icon" style launcher, even using the same sliding-widget model people loathe on iPad - Quick-settings menu pane in the top corner, almost identical to the iOS/iPad one in GNOME 40 I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that GNOME (especially GNOME…

The AppIndicator support is being worked on: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xdg/xdg-specs/-/issues/84

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by tjohns »

28304283409234 wrote: post #98
hugs wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the lack of a sane upgrade path really is a massive issue that should be labeled more clearly. (And a headline level bullet point in any written review of it.) The lack of a sane upgrade path completely undercuts their marketing message.

Seriously, how is this a big deal? Make a backup of $HOME, restore it after fresh install of OS. Done!

In a managed corporate environment (or heck, even with family members), asking users to reinstall the OS themselves is a big deal.

Also, what about apps? Non-standard drivers? Background services? System configuration?

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