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The Mystery of the Dune Font

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Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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I have nothing to add to the font aspect but here's fellow HNer's advice how to approach these books: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20859569

re the advice in that post -- I completely agree but I would say that if you enjoy God Emperor (I do, deeply), between that and Heretics go read _The Dune Encyclopedia_, which is a hard-to-find paperback but an easy-to-find PDF written as an in-universe encyclopedia set after God Emperor. Yes, some things in it are contradicted by the remaining two books, but it adds such a powerful structure to the extant universe i…

I started reading the PDF last year after failing to find a hardcopy, but the pervasive OCR-induced typos stopped me cold.

Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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None of these covers shows "the" Dune font, for me. The first edition of Dune had a very stylized calligraphy that looked like arabic. I remember it vividly since my dad had this book in the living room, among others; and when I was learning to read, this was the only cover that I couldn't read at all. (It was a translation, but with the same cover.) These letters are shown on the wikipedia page about the novel: http…

> Just the four letters D U N E, which are exactly the same shape but rotated 90 degrees. It's an incredibly simple and effective design. For those interested: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/P/B08HPFCMLS.01._SCLZZZZZZ...

OMG the DUNC joke predates the new movie.

Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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Many children have grown up these days without learning cursive in school, thus every time they see squiggly fonts they think Arabic first.

> Many children have grown up these days without learning cursive in school, thus every time they see squiggly fonts they think Arabic first. Wait, are you saying that children in US schools write in block letters these days? That must be slow!

Contrary to what olduns would have us believe, cursive is NOT [fundamentally] faster than printing. Rather, the people who have trouble 'printing' quickly seem to be those who rarely 'print' their letters.

Also interesting to me that, among people who use cursive, both difficulty producing legible cursive and complaining about being unable to read somebody's cursive (sometimes their own) seems more common.

Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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Suns ran Solaris, of course.

SunOS was BSD-ish originally, then around 1994 they shifted to a more SVR4 variant and rebranded to Solaris. I think Solaris 2.x was SVR4 and Solaris 1.x was BSD retronaming of what was SunOS named earlier. It's been a while so I may not have the numbers quite right. Anyway, there was some overlap in nomenclature, so a version bump of the SunOS naming (and Solaris numbering) implied a shift from BSD-ish to SVR4-ish,…

"SunOS is the kernel, Solaris is the distribution as a whole" was how I was always told it went. Solaris 1.x used a SunOS 4.x kernel, Solaris 2.x and upwards used SunOS 5.x. Version synchronicity was achieved by jumping from Solaris 2.6/SunOS 5.6 to Solaris 7.x/SunOS 5.7 in 1998 when UltraSPARC support was introduced. Of course Solaris 11.x/SunOS 5.11 was the last version.

Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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> Many children have grown up these days without learning cursive in school, thus every time they see squiggly fonts they think Arabic first. Wait, are you saying that children in US schools write in block letters these days? That must be slow!

Contrary to what olduns would have us believe, cursive is NOT [fundamentally] faster than printing. Rather, the people who have trouble 'printing' quickly seem to be those who rarely 'print' their letters. Also interesting to me that, among people who use cursive, both difficulty producing legible cursive and complaining about being unable to read somebody's cursive (sometimes their own) seems more common.

> Contrary to what olduns would have us believe, cursive is NOT [fundamentally] faster than printing.

Do you have links to back that up? Due to my illegible cursive I often fill all kinds of forms in block letters and definitely _feel_ that it is much slower.

Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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Contrary to what olduns would have us believe, cursive is NOT [fundamentally] faster than printing. Rather, the people who have trouble 'printing' quickly seem to be those who rarely 'print' their letters. Also interesting to me that, among people who use cursive, both difficulty producing legible cursive and complaining about being unable to read somebody's cursive (sometimes their own) seems more common.

> Contrary to what olduns would have us believe, cursive is NOT [fundamentally] faster than printing. Do you have links to back that up? Due to my illegible cursive I often fill all kinds of forms in block letters and definitely _feel_ that it is much slower.

I'd start by saying that illegible writing should be a disqualifier for comparison of speed. Slow down until it's legible!

Some factors affecting which writing method is fastest for you, (while remaining legible to others and your later self, include which one you use the most, and drippiness of the ink. Runny ink (or paint!) can be more prone to blotches, soak-through, and other blemishes, especially when printing, lending itself better to constant movement and cursive.

You may find that a hybrid of semi-joined and unjoined lettering fastest. I do not recommend shorthand if someone else will have to read it; shorthand is notoriously variant between practioners.

Anecdata from people I've talked to or my own experience about writing faster than cursive users in our cohorts won't help anybody much. Nor will my discovery that straight-stroke runes allowed me to keep up when taking notes from a particularly fast-talking history teacher. So, about the request for links… (-:

The link I reached for returned 404, and isn't in Archive.org (one truncated PDF file, which won't open), so I went digging. Wellll… raking, more like. Mostly, I found articles and posts claiming either "cursive is faster" or "no conclusive evidence for any claimed benefits of cursive". Consequently, I turned to:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=cursive

Of the 7 relevant-seeming papers I've read so far, and another 4 grepped, I'm seeing (1) tiny cohorts with either no significant speed difference or small improvement with cursive, (2) usually turned out to be testing the wrong thing (like how fast a cohort's speed with one method improved, without comparison to any other method; or whether teaching one or another method affected the subjects' ability to read in general), (3) sometimes no attempt to account for legibility.

For me, all the extra loops and curves seem to conspire to make me fit less writing in the same space and use more ink/pencil/whatever.

Re: The Mystery of the Dune Font

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I disagree. The wide gamut in line thickness and the orientation of it is typical for Arabic fonts, but not for cursive ones. Personally, this kind of line reminds me of a arab dagger even.

The variations in line thickness are exactly what you’d get with a calligraphy pen (and pens before ball points like fountain pens, quills) and are a function of the consistent direction of the pen and the smoothly varying direction the line is being written. So you will see it in all old pen/quill writing styles.

No, not like this. You'd get a different kind of variation in line thickness. That was the main point of my comment, but apparently I didn't explain it well.
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