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Re: WTF with high school questions?

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recruiters are not technical interviewers. They're testing your communication skills, if anything at all.

And grades or university name makes it easy to rank candidates to present a short list to the actual recruiter.

A short but highly unrepresantative list at that.

Too many counter examples irl who had shit grades but were geniuses at actual work to discount.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#92

Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills? Seriously. Here is how to do it. I'm looking for a React Developer, I ask the following simple questions: 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) 2. With $givenTechnologyStack, how do you usually solve state managem…

There are people who are good at tech, but not good at casual conversation about tech. They may not know your terminology even though they are familiar with the concepts, and they may be afraid to ask for clarification on your terminology. And rightly so, as I've heard people act like I am a moron for asking "What exactly do you mean by TECH_BUZZWORD?" Also when people research interviewing styles, the "conversationa…

>Also when people research interviewing styles, the "conversational" approach apparently ranks pretty badly. People can be good at BSing, reading the bold print etc.

What types of interviewing styles rank well?

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#93
> I got kicked out of AP English for insubordination in high school. The difference between my high-school performance in English classes and professional accomplishments as a writer is vast

Ironically, if I was a hiring manager I would much rather care about your history of insubordination than your self-ascribed writing skills.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#94
post #6

Related: This was the first step in the interview process at Canonical – I withdrew (2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30735678

If this is meant to hire people in the US it's flat out illegal.

But then everyone except Duke Power has ignored Griggs v. Duke Power.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#95
> ... but could indicate age bias.

Tangential, but... has anyone successfully prosecuted against age bias in tech? I've never heard of a single person that was able to prove it, and/or do anything about it.

As someone with 32 years experience, it's kind of freaky, honestly. If it's true that the number of software developers has doubled every 4.5 years (I don't remember where I read this, so don't have a source :( ), then that means there's 1.5% of people in my group and older.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#96

A lot of people who have problems with various recruiting techniques seem to assume a universe where nobody is dishonest. You can call for references but in many cultures people do not want to be mean and will say nice things about you even if you were a terrible employee. People will also lie and scheme and it can be difficult to really dig into someone's professional career to know if they are serious and good peop…

That would be a good argument if people were being hired solely on the basis of their responses to these questions. No one's doing that. These are simply filter questions used to decide who to do initial interviews with and need to be discussed in terms of their false positive/negative failures. False positive: people can lie with no meaningful way to verify. False negative: you're increasing the funnel drop rate of…

I’d assume they still get enough candidates through that filter, and not too many false positives. It might actually be worth the false negatives.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#97
post #81

Personally, I don't know any awesome engineers who sucked at school. I don't know if any of them would work at Canonical (which has exhausted most of its growth potential by now), though. Nothing wrong with the question, imho, if you have lots of applicants. I doubt it adversely selects for the job. It drops a lot of legitimately skilled people, but every method does. For interviewing, it makes sense to budget an amo…

> I don't know any awesome engineers who sucked at school This makes me think you don't know many awesome engineers.

Or any for that matter...the majority of schools educate for the lowest common denominator. Most talented individuals I know did supplemental education on their own outside of school systems.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#98
post #10

They use the same format for Accounts Payable Clerk as they do for Director of Devops. Slightly lazy, sure, but not really blog post worthy. If you're an experienced hire just put do not recall and move on with your life.

Also, it seems like these discussions assume everyone went to college. If they haven’t, asking about high school is relevant.

Asking about High School assumes everyone graduated from it. With dual enrollment it's quite possible for someone to get a college degree without ever getting a high school diploma (or even taking high school classes).

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#99

Personally, I don't know any awesome engineers who sucked at school. I don't know if any of them would work at Canonical (which has exhausted most of its growth potential by now), though. Nothing wrong with the question, imho, if you have lots of applicants. I doubt it adversely selects for the job. It drops a lot of legitimately skilled people, but every method does. For interviewing, it makes sense to budget an amo…

What if their selection criteria is illegal?

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#100

Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills? Seriously. Here is how to do it. I'm looking for a React Developer, I ask the following simple questions: 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) 2. With $givenTechnologyStack, how do you usually solve state managem…

There are people who are good at tech, but not good at casual conversation about tech. They may not know your terminology even though they are familiar with the concepts, and they may be afraid to ask for clarification on your terminology. And rightly so, as I've heard people act like I am a moron for asking "What exactly do you mean by TECH_BUZZWORD?" Also when people research interviewing styles, the "conversationa…

> There are people who are good at tech, but not good at casual conversation about tech.

And conversely, there are people who are not good at tech, but good at casual conversation about tech. Those people tend to become your boss :)

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