Be careful, because if your version of Windows supports bitlocker Windows will turn it on and store the spare key in the online account.
Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
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Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#92No, I simply don't sign into anything outside browser on desktop and I don't use Microsoft browser.
Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is possible to set up MacOS without an iCloud account, but they do try hard to get you to sign in. You have to be diligent about looking for buttons like "Skip," "Not now," and "I'll do it later." Fortunately those options still exist, but the pressure to sign in has been increasing over the last several versions of MacOS.
Em... No. Have you used a Mac? They only ask you once during setup, and have only one popup asking if you are sure.
Not true. Right now, I have MacOS Ventura nagging me to update my iCloud password, for the account "(null)". Notifications, System Settings badge, System Setting menu item drawing attention to "update available", all the enchilada.
"defaults delete com.apple.systempreferences AttentionPrefBundleIDs" doesn't work anymore.
Bug? Might be. But it happens to achieve the same kind of nagging that Microsoft is famous for; it passes the duck test.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Windows 11 pro doesnt require an ms account, you can create a local account.
This is no longer correct with the latest 22H2 December update. In order to circumvent this now requires getting to the command prompt (Shift+F10) during install and issuing a command to bypass the requirement.
The "I want to use enterprise login" (or whatever it is worded), doesn't work anymore?
It always created local login; if you really wanted to join AD, you had to use this account to log in and join manually. Actually, pretty annoying, desktop Linuces are capable of AD join straight from the OOBE.
Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#95Microsoft doing shady shit? Color me surprised. I'm glad I've ditched Microsoft's ecosystem. I use Linux now.
Same here, and I'm in the process of excising Apple, Google. Baby steps in the right direction is all I need to work on.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some reason, “I think Apple does this too” always comes up in the discussions about Microsoft forcing online accounts within Windows. MacOS doesn’t do this. Accounts are machine local. iCloud integration is an optional layer on top. Always has been. Nothing has changed. Maybe give the OS a try before assuming Apple is following all the same antipatterns just because they also happen to fall into the category of “…
Apple has more than one operating system. iOS requires you to sign in to install apps. Technically this doesn't lock you out the operating system, but it's close.
Can't update without signing in.
Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#97This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…
Yes, I remember that slideshow.
There was also something in the lines of "Leave it all to us, your data is safe". The irony was that with part of the text displayed was overflowing off the screen was was not readable. The absolute proof my data was safe in the hands of clowns.
I believe I still have a picture of that somewhere..
Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#98It’s not even possible in windows 11. You can leave Microsoft behind, or accept it and move on. I think apple does this too. You have options, but they don’t include Microsoft or apple. I think chromeos, for now, lets you opt out. I could be wrong about that.
For some reason, “I think Apple does this too” always comes up in the discussions about Microsoft forcing online accounts within Windows. MacOS doesn’t do this. Accounts are machine local. iCloud integration is an optional layer on top. Always has been. Nothing has changed. Maybe give the OS a try before assuming Apple is following all the same antipatterns just because they also happen to fall into the category of “…
You do need an Apple account to use the App Store on macOS, unlike on Windows. With the App Store being the only place to download XCode, which in turn is required to use all the good stuff like Homebrew, the result for me and probably most people on HN is roughly the same.
Also, the macOS system preferences nag the user until iCloud is activated.
Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#99Leaving this here: https://rentry.org/ltsc
Running IoT LTSC 10 as we speak.
Re: Tell HN: Windows 10 might have tricked you into using a online account
#100This definitely happened to me a while ago. I'm not that upset about it, except that I spent some time changing all my local accounts from "jon" to "jrockway", and signing in with my email address made my local account "jon". Now when I ssh places, I have to supply -l or properly add an entry to ~/.ssh/config because this is the only account I have that's not named "jrockway". All in all, this reduces the enjoyment i…
Yes, I remember that slideshow. There was also something in the lines of "Leave it all to us, your data is safe". The irony was that with part of the text displayed was overflowing off the screen was was not readable. The absolute proof my data was safe in the hands of clowns. I believe I still have a picture of that somewhere..
The one I liked the most was saying "Leave everything to us" in full screen... everything what? Give all my belongings to MS? :-P