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Stephen Hawking to turn 70, defying disease

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Re: Stephen Hawking to turn 70, defying disease

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Well, I have to ask: what the hell statistics have you seen? A baby born in the USA is almost three times more likely to die at or immediately following birth than in Japan . [1] Your cancer stat is true for prostate and breast cancer, but Japan has the best rates for some other types of cancers [2], and importantly Japanese people actually develop much less cancer[2.1], one reason for which is much better preventati…

Infant mortality is a horrible statistic. Birth registration varies by country, so what counts as "infant mortality" is so varied that it's useless to compare. > Japanese people actually develop much less cancer[2.1], one reason for which is much better preventative medical care (for average people); the average Japanese person sees a doctor three times more often than the average Americans, and have three times more…

I hate to flog a dead horse, or a dead thread, but:

> Cancer doesn't work that way. Seeing the doctor 3 times per year is not going to keep you from developing cancer.

Utterly, completely incorrect. Seeing a doctor more frequently and doing more preventative care demonstrably prevents cancer:

> They may catch it earlier.

Exactly. Early enough, in fact, to prevent cancer from happening at all. A pre-cancerous growth in the breast is found, treated, and/or removed. A polyp in the colon is discovered and resected. Cancer avoided in both cases.

These kinds of things happen a huge number of times every year here in the comprehensive annual health checks which, under the Japanese health care system, typical companies are required to both pay for (the portion the insurance doesn't pay), and give their employees paid time off to undergo.

> For the average American the number of times they go to the doctor has nothing to do with cost.

Extremely hard to believe when 47 million Americans have no insurance of any kind, and 100+ million more have low-quality health insurance, and more than half of Americans are now living in poverty or low-income situations.[1]

Furthermore, cost means more than the price the hospital charges. Virtually none of my American coworkers or friends regularly undergo a comprehensive medical checkup -- those that do are those who already have something wrong, like high cholesterol.

100% of my Japanese friends and colleagues do it every single year. Why? Here, if you skip your health check, then you're just working at the office instead, because you do it on work time. So the incentives are sane; why not go?

That's baked into the system, and just another reason that the Japanese system provides better health care to most of the people (the bottom 80%-90% of income brackets, I think).

> "infant mortality" is so varied that it's useless to compare.

Not when you are comparing the USA and Japan. That might be true when comparing other sets of countries.

Methodological difficulties aside, infant mortality is one of the most important metrics by which one could compare health cares systems -- what matters more than whether your baby lives or dies? Not much.

[1]: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/us/experts-say-bleak-accou...

Re: Stephen Hawking to turn 70, defying disease

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"Get a doctor and some nurses, put them in a clean building, and give them a few million to buy machines and stocks. Even the government can do it, and the government does it at a lower price, because they aren't looking to rip off desperate people." They may not be looking to "rip off desperate people", but they sure don't know how to efficiently spend money (example: every single government-run system in the histor…

My view of the main con of universal healthcare systems is that it's harder to get care for chronic conditions that are unpleasant/painful but not ultimately dangerous. I think it's hard to dispute that the US offers substantially better care for these issues if you have the money. The fact is, though, that I believe this is the case largely because of how doctors are allocated. Doctors are, of course, a limited reso…

> Doctors are, of course, a limited resource - there's simply an insufficient number of people with the requisite intelligence, mindset and dedication necessary to do the job.

That's not exactly quite true; we have far more qualified people than we actual doctors, the AMA strictly limits the supply [1] by controlling the schools and this of course seriously affects the market, the prices, and their salaries. Things would be much cheaper if 57% of qualified applications weren't turned away every year.

[1] http://wallstreetpit.com/5769-the-medical-cartel-why-are-md-...

Re: Stephen Hawking to turn 70, defying disease

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My view of the main con of universal healthcare systems is that it's harder to get care for chronic conditions that are unpleasant/painful but not ultimately dangerous. I think it's hard to dispute that the US offers substantially better care for these issues if you have the money. The fact is, though, that I believe this is the case largely because of how doctors are allocated. Doctors are, of course, a limited reso…

> Doctors are, of course, a limited resource - there's simply an insufficient number of people with the requisite intelligence, mindset and dedication necessary to do the job. That's not exactly quite true; we have far more qualified people than we actual doctors, the AMA strictly limits the supply [1] by controlling the schools and this of course seriously affects the market, the prices, and their salaries. Things w…

That's interesting! Do you have any thoughts on why there is not more outcry about this? I'd guess the social status of doctors has something to do with this?

Re: Stephen Hawking to turn 70, defying disease

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> North Koreans think their country is the best too. I often see many similarities between the USA and North Korea too.

I hope that's sarcastic ... I was just using NK as an extreme example.

Nope, Nothing sarcastic about that at all.
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