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Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by xapata »

manicennui wrote: post #40
chadd wrote: post #4

in all seriousness, i'll take the contrary opinion, i love targeted ads. saves me time, and there's no way to keep my data private anyway, so i might as well get some value out of it. i wish there were a browser plugin called "please accept all cookies" which would just get rid of the friction, and as a downstream fringe benefit, show me better ads.

Do you have money burning a hole in your pocket? I don't want to be constantly prompted to buy and consume things. When I have a problem, I research solutions and buy a product or service if necessary. I don't care what those with the largest marketing budgets think I should buy. I also follow companies on social media that I know and trust if I think I might be interested in their future products.

I'm pretty good, I think, about sticking to my shopping list. However, I don't always have time to research vendors. Finding a new vendor in a banner advertisement can be helpful. Just the other day, I discovered a local manufacturer of iron railings who apparently is better at buying ads on Facebook than at creating an indexable website.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#92

Post by manicennui »

xvector wrote: post #79
manicennui wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have money burning a hole in your pocket? I don't want to be constantly prompted to buy and consume things. When I have a problem, I research solutions and buy a product or service if necessary. I don't care what those with the largest marketing budgets think I should buy. I also follow companies on social media that I know and trust if I think I might be interested in their future products.

Why do you want to push your austere approach to purchases on everyone else?

I don't.

The only ones having anything forced on them are those who don't want to be bombarded by ads and those who don't want their data sold and those who don't want to be tracked.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#93

Post by imiric »

xvector wrote: post #89
imiric wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an argument to be made that news media in the 20th century was focused on delivering facts, and that objective journalism as we knew it then is dead today. This shift was accelerated by the 24-hour news cycle and eventually the internet, where the media was incentivized by attention-grabbing headlines, advertising profits and private investors. When journalism was alive, opinions were sectioned off and known…

The Spanish-American War was literally caused by journalists. It's always been an arm of propaganda. You're seeing this through rose-tinted glasses.

I'm not familiar with that part of history, but I think you're mistaking and vastly overblowing the role of "yellow" journalism in that case.

Scandal and satire have been a part of MSM for a long time, but it was very clear where the line is drawn that separates it from objective journalism. While corporate and political influence existed to an extent, objectivity was seen as sacred.

If you don't see a difference between news reporting from 40 or 50 years ago and today, I don't know what to tell you.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#94

Post by mindslight »

sneak wrote: post #90
kwhitefoot wrote: post #49

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How is it free? London in Victorian and worse in earlier times was a much less safe place than London now and a lot of the credit goes to having an organized police force that takes action to find and apprehend those who commit assault and battery. That police force cost money to create and costs money continuously to maintain.

I didn't say police are free; I am not referring to enforcement. The assertion (by mindslight) is that GDPR is not adequately enforced anyway, so the comparison you make is somewhat apples to oranges. It costs society nothing to not punch people (complying with the laws against physical battery). It costs society a lot, however, in real economic terms, to comply with GDPR. Therefore, if GDPR is not being enforced, it…

In this analogy, it actually does cost muggers quite a lot of revenue to not be able to punch people and take their wallets.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#95

Post by charcircuit »

oarsinsync wrote: post #86
charcircuit wrote: post #71

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>we should blame predatory advertising tactics Most sites that have this pop up aren't being predatory. The EU is fully to blame for ruining the internet.

Every site that has these pop ups is literally doing so because they’re tracking you. Staking you. Surveilling you. They might be doing it on behalf of a third party, but they’re still doing it.

>Stalking you

The website is not following "you" around, nor is it intimidating you. "You" are the one visiting the website.

>Survieling you

The website does not have cameras on "you" or have people following "you" around. The website compiles information that "you" have given it. If Alice tells Bob her name and Bob remembers it, Bob is not surveilling Alice.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#96

Post by dublinben »

drusepth wrote: post #65
advisedwang wrote: post #8

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They mention credit history, so lets take financial records as an example. Technically the complete list of things you have purchased is a record of interactions with your bank, but I think it's incredibly privacy violating for a bank to sell infomation about what products I buy. Technically the docs to prepare a tax return is a now a record of an interaction with turbotax, but I don't think Intuit should be able to…

>Technically the complete list of things you have purchased is a record of interactions with your bank, but I think it's incredibly privacy violating for a bank to sell infomation about what products I buy. Isn't it in almost every bank's ToS that they are not only allowed to do this, but expected to do this? TBH, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about Intuit selling my financial data, either.

Banks in the US are required to provide a standardized privacy statement about what personal information they share, and whether you can limit it. There are meaningful differences between banks, so it's not at all true that "almost every bank" is as anti-consumer as possible. Some examples showing differences:

https://www.td.com/content/dam/tdb/document/pdf/personal-ban...

https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/privacy-security/pri...

https://www.usaa.com/inet/wc/privacy_promise

https://www.goldmansachs.com/privacy-and-cookies/Apple_Card_...

https://online.citi.com/JRS/popups/ao/Citibank_Consumer_Priv...

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by xvector »

not_kurt_godel wrote: post #83
xvector wrote: post #78

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Do you honestly think that there is a single "useful source of truthful factual information" on this planet? There is not a single organization out there that will not present you facts without some sort of bias or slant.

I would love to watch you tell me in person that you believe that targeted advertisements are as good a source of knowledge and information as any other on the planet, and try to keep a straight face while doing so.

Who cares that they're not a source of knowledge or information?

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

xvector wrote: post #97
not_kurt_godel wrote: post #83

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I would love to watch you tell me in person that you believe that targeted advertisements are as good a source of knowledge and information as any other on the planet, and try to keep a straight face while doing so.

Who cares that they're not a source of knowledge or information?

Who cares about having a conversation with someone who rejects the idea of any outside sources of information being accurate since you can never reach any sort of consensus on objective reality with them?

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#99

Post by dmitriid »

xvector wrote: post #89
imiric wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an argument to be made that news media in the 20th century was focused on delivering facts, and that objective journalism as we knew it then is dead today. This shift was accelerated by the 24-hour news cycle and eventually the internet, where the media was incentivized by attention-grabbing headlines, advertising profits and private investors. When journalism was alive, opinions were sectioned off and known…

The Spanish-American War was literally caused by journalists. It's always been an arm of propaganda. You're seeing this through rose-tinted glasses.

It was still less effective globally because you couldn't reach a few billion people 24/7 at the click of a button.

And it was more effective locally because a limited selection if newspapers and TV channels was all you had access to until the Internet came along.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

#100

Post by dmitriid »

sneak wrote: post #31
mindslight wrote: post #29

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Obtaining "consent" via nagwalls and other dark patterns doesn't seem like its actually legal per the GDPR. Rather the enforcement is just so slow moving that it appears that way. So your complaint seems akin to saying that the laws against physical assault are pointless, because you were attacked and the police didn't find your assailant.

GDPR has had a huge cost. If it doesn't yield any benefit because it's not being enforced, then it is a bad law, because it has costs without benefit, unlike the prohibition on physical assault, which is "free".

It's being enforced. The problem is that the "free market that knows better" has collectively decided that they will go against it.

And the enforcers are expected to work with the companies before fining everyone.

However, it was enough to hand out some serious fines, and sites started falling in line https://noyb.eu/en/where-did-all-reject-buttons-come Funny how this works, right?

And more fines are coming https://noyb.eu/en/breaking-meta-prohibited-use-personal-dat...

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