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Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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> This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. (“law enforcement” is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.) “spook agencies” don’t make prosecutorial or law enforcement investigation decisions (outside of those within their own investigative jurisdiction where they are also law enforcement agencies, which US ones, other than FBI to the extent you consider that a “…

This line of reasoning is measured and sensible (and rest assured, this is appreciated). But there is an implicit assumption in your world view that intelligence agencies themselves are -not- subject to directions of powerful actors in the establishment. “Yale” and all that, but then we’re back to conspiracies, alas. I am genuinely interested in your views on ‘how’ would we ever obtain “clear evidence” regarding matt…

> But there is an implicit assumption in your world view that intelligence agencies themselves are -not- subject to directions of powerful actors in the establishment.

I’m not sure how that inference is drawn, but that is absolultely not part of my world-view, in general or as it pertains to this case; intelligence agencies could either be a source of influence in pursuit of their legal mission, or vehicles of informal influence for other parties.

> I am genuinely interested in your views on ‘how’ would we ever obtain “clear evidence” regarding matters that involve intelligence agencies acting well outside of the law.

Often, we wouldn’t, short of someone inside who knows where evidence is to be found preserving and revealing it, and even then validating that it is genuine might be difficult.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Is there a legitimate reason so few people have been charged in the case of Epstein?

Because we don’t know how to hold wealthy and powerful people accountable in this country.

See SBF, released on bail, immediately started stealing money from Alemeda and FTX wallets. Why the fuck does he have unsupervised access to a computer? Because we suck at this.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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You have to remember that Federal investigations don't work like that. They don't arrest (even if it appears obvious) and then build evidence; they build a strong case quietly then arrest (look up Prenda Law for a good story on this). Interestingly though, most of the time public or powerful figures go to jail it's not (or not mainly) for the crime assumed, it's for 'Lying to the Feds' (see Martha Stewart for example…

Having dealt with “shoot first, ask questions later” asset forfeiture cases, in my own life and some of my friends’, I have to say this is more of an idealistic view post Wars on Drugs and Terror.

You just aren’t wealthy powerful and or white enough.

I’m not saying it to be rude to you I’m saying as a disgusted criticism of our failure to apply justice equally.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Having dealt with “shoot first, ask questions later” asset forfeiture cases, in my own life and some of my friends’, I have to say this is more of an idealistic view post Wars on Drugs and Terror.

To be clear I'm talking about larger scale (or involving the 'elite' class) crimes, not the things everyday folk get caught up in, which generally proceed quite a bit quicker.

That's literally the fucking problem. Two legal systems, one for "elite" where they get a fucking slap on the wrist, and one for the "poors" where you get the living shit beat out of you and end up with a hospital bill and a charge for "resisting" arrest when they twisted your arm so hard that you involuntarily resisted the movement.

When it comes to poor people cops will do shit like throw a baton on the ground, put a suspects hand on it, and then claim they had gone for their weapon, beating them and taking them in for arrest right away.

When it comes to the "elite" they make a nice phone call and ask them when it would be convenient to come in for "questioning" because "we couldn't possibly arrest such an upstanding citizen" which is code for "we don't fuck with this guy because he butters our bread."

relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeOVbeh2yr0

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Very interesting perspective, considering that iirc, failure to report the specific crime of child sex trafficking / rape is a crime itself.

>> failure to report the specific crime of child sex trafficking / rape is a crime itself. Ok but where is the evidence? I don't think the cops can just showup to Epstain's associates door and try to snatch confessions without evidence. They have lawyers. Why would they confess?

I think this is what takes time -- they have to build more than a circumstantial case that the crime was committed and as you said the suspect is not going to confess so they have a large hill to climb.

Flying to an island on his plane (even after everything we know about that has happened on that island residence) does not itself indicate any wrong doing -- they have to fond more evidence that links the threads together. If they charge or show their hands before they have enough it sets various clocks in motion that can harm the long term cases.

I have faith they are still working as many of these as they can looking for charges -- its only faith.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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None of that is remotely interesting to people with experience with prisons. There are tons of dangerous criminals and he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t, at which point he committed suicide. There aren’t enough resources to watch all of the prisoners all of the time, so he waited until he wasn’t being monitored and then committed suicide. Donald Trump ran the DOJ who controlled the BOP would be the only person…

> There are tons of dangerous criminals He was one of, if not, the most high-profile inmates. > he was on suicide watch until he wasn’t Why was he taken off suicide watch when he was known to be suicidal?

Because he convinced a judge that he wasn’t suicidal.

Re: Epstein's sex trafficking was aided by JPMorgan, US Virgin Islands lawsuit says

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Why are we pussy footing around this? This affair has all the hallmarks of a state level blackmail operation run by CIA and Mossad. ("law enforcement" is a rather amusing label for spook agencies.)

> Why are we pussy footing around this? Same reason we pussy foot around any topic that puts attention on the corruption of the wealthy and their connections. This website is owned by, and has its content moderated in lockstep with, wealthy holders of capital. Putting due spotlight on that will get your content removed.

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