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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by skfingngihg »

pixelfarmer wrote: post #90
Zuiii wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then have a panel from canada's regulatory body review every case and fine those who misclassify their cancellation, then have an independent audit of those panels to avoid regulatory capture.

No, I would remove the exception and put up even heftier fines (i.e. costs more than the (partial) refunding) for safety violations. There should be structures and procedures for that in place already and you avoid creating even more bureacraziness with all the problems that brings.

Good point. disincentivize Lax maintenance even more, airlines should want their planes to be in good condition

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by chii »

ammar2 wrote: post #69
causi wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

I think the reasoning would be to disincentivize airlines from potentially flying a plane that is unsafe to avoid paying out.

> flying a plane that is unsafe

which is already illegal, and has consequences. The airline will probably lose reputation and business if the public catches wind of it. The exception for cancellation should not have been in place, except as a way for airlines to get out of the obligations but also allow law makers to be seen to be doing something. Basically theater.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by 29athrowaway »

Another important point that the video doesn't touch on: the environment.

Not being able to repair a device means less reuse, more e-waste, more garbage and that's bad for the environment.

So this bill can be interpreted not only as "fuck the consumer", it's also "fuck the environment", "fuck our future", "fuck the planet", etc.

It's doubling down on planned obsolescence.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by BarryMilo »

akira2501 wrote: post #82
meindnoch wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, my friend, we ought to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, since they gave us VSCode and GitHub. Why would they lobby for such an evil thing? Surely, this must be some grave misunderstanding!

Monopolies give things away to destroy competition, not to warm the hearts of consumers.

Seems to me like the parent comment was being sarcastic, though in fairness you never know on the internet.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

#95

Post by unnouinceput »

richbell wrote: post #54
unnouinceput wrote: post #52

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This is not shameless plug, this is very late plug considering Jan 1st is less than 24 hours away. Should've done it faster, never heard of this until now.

So you're saying they should be ashamed... of not promoting it sooner? ;)

exactly

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by college_physics »

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be.

The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him.

When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such systemic levels society crosses boiling points

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by wanderer2323 »

tharne wrote: post #14
wiseleo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Madison Avenue may disagree about the statement about creative people. There are a lot of creatives in New York especially. As for good-looking people, there are several fashion modeling agencies there, which are an integral part of advertising. :)

> Madison Avenue may disagree about the statement about creative people. It was a joke :) I don't think any reasonable person believes that NYC is devoid of good-looking and creative people.

Jokes are supposed to have some attempt at humor in them, you know

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by adlpz »

college_physics wrote: post #96

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be. The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him. When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such sys…

Very well said. I believe in the ideals of individual initiative and market economy as means to achieve a better world for everybody, but when externalities and systemic inefficiencies are ignored and frameworks to deal with them are shaped by the same entities that are supposed to be ruled by said frameworks, the whole system corrupts and devolves into a machine that only benefits the few, while keeping the facade of legitimacy, which makes it doubly dangerous.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by flipbrad »

smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

Lying to avoid a loss would be fraud, and therefore a pretty dangerous game.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by justsomehnguy »

ALittleLight wrote: post #74
josephcsible wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would defeat the purpose. The point of the carveout is so that we don't accidentally incentivize the airlines to fly a flight that should be canceled for safety reasons, and this would do exactly that.

Perhaps they could require the people who make the go/no-go decision on flight safety to visit a prison every three months and receive a lecture on how this will be their new home if they knowingly approve a plane not safe to fly.

You are forgetting what the decision to blanket everything as a safety issue came not from the people who make the go/no-go decision on flight safety.

As a sibling comment says it would be just swept under the rug until planes start to fall.

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