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Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by YuryVladkov »

rmk wrote: post #72

I'm sorry to hear that. Are you a refugee? Why do you say you will be on the streets? I hope you can figure out a temporary work situation to keep you housed, clothed and fed while you figure out what's next. I hope you can conserve the money you will receive and use it wisely, considering it's going to be a substantial amount of money and can see you through the winter perhaps. It is very discouraging to be caught o…

I am from a 3rd world country. Currently I am working in Europe with a work visa. When I become unemployed, my visa becomes void and I will be deported. I already told my landlord that I was gonna leave the house in early Jan. They found a new tenant. Now, I need to go back to my home country and find a house and a job there.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by phpisthebest »

gbear0 wrote: post #64

Has anyone tried to add special clauses to their initial contract along the lines of: "If the offer is rescinded before the start date, the applicant will be awarded 3 months salary. If the applicant is fired within 3 months of the start date, the applicant will be awarded relocation fees to previous location." And you'd update that based on costs of moving, or possibly the state of the economy and your risk toleranc…

I really think there needs to be a rework of contract law when it comes to idea of that is permissible and what is considered an unconscionable contract

For example, most relocation agreements I have seen have a stipulation where by if the employee quits with in a year or 6mos or some defined time period the employee must pay back any relocation costs incurred by the company. There however is no reverse stipulation. That should make the contract unconscionable.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by gbear0 »

scarface74 wrote: post #73
gbear0 wrote: post #64

Has anyone tried to add special clauses to their initial contract along the lines of: "If the offer is rescinded before the start date, the applicant will be awarded 3 months salary. If the applicant is fired within 3 months of the start date, the applicant will be awarded relocation fees to previous location." And you'd update that based on costs of moving, or possibly the state of the economy and your risk toleranc…

Unless you are a special snowflake with a unique skillset, why would a company the size of Amazon ever veer from their standard contract?

Why are they hiring people that need a visa and need to relocate across the world?

The ask for compensation for getting dropped before the start date should usually be an easy one for a company to accept since that shouldn't be normal operating procedures. Otherwise, they're aware that they're explicitly screwing over people and aren't serious about hiring. Now we're back at my earlier claim, and you dodged a bullet.

You don't need to be special, but you definitely shouldn't think of yourself as a cog in the machine. If you do think of yourself as a cog, or this is an offer you can't refuse, then you've already given up your bargaining power, and you are willing to accept this.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by chrisgd »

NeverFade wrote: post #63
Firmwarrior wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's going to accomplish more than this HN post on Christmas, honestly Jassy knows how easy it is for engineers who passed the Amazon bar to find new jobs. He's going to think "Welcome to The Jungle, kid" and move on If you ask me. OP dodged a bullet here. Amazon has turned into a toxic swamp

You're writing this as if Bezos / Jaffy or anyone at their level is even going to read some random person's angry email.

Bezos read my email as a prime member. Think the chances of this getting you blackballed from work is low and the upside is there. Nothing left to lose in my opinion

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Post by jimlongton »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #47
jimlongton wrote: post #37

Is your current post already filled? I'm in the EU and filling positions left by people resigning has taken months. Talk to your old manager and HR. They might be more desperate than they appear.

Staying at a job that you resigned from is not a good idea, unless it’s very short term. For many reasons.

I have not found that to be true, maybe due to company culture. Both my manager and our best engineer left my current company and returned, one after 2 years and the other have just 3 months. Both have been subsequently promoted.

Our industry is not small but we all know people in rival companies (semi-conductor, EU) and a lot of management have left to work for competitors at one point and returned. Unless you work for a seriously petty manager or an unprofessional family size company that holds grudges, leaving and returning should not be a big deal.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by YuryVladkov »

NeverFade wrote: post #63
Firmwarrior wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's going to accomplish more than this HN post on Christmas, honestly Jassy knows how easy it is for engineers who passed the Amazon bar to find new jobs. He's going to think "Welcome to The Jungle, kid" and move on If you ask me. OP dodged a bullet here. Amazon has turned into a toxic swamp

You're writing this as if Bezos / Jaffy or anyone at their level is even going to read some random person's angry email.

The funny thing is one of their LPs is this:

Strive to be Earth’s Best Employer Leaders work every day to create a safer, more productive, higher performing, more diverse, and more just work environment. They lead with empathy, have fun at work, and make it easy for others to have fun.

Hey Amazon, I am having no fun!

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by scarface74 »

gbear0 wrote: post #94
scarface74 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are a special snowflake with a unique skillset, why would a company the size of Amazon ever veer from their standard contract?

Why are they hiring people that need a visa and need to relocate across the world? The ask for compensation for getting dropped before the start date should usually be an easy one for a company to accept since that shouldn't be normal operating procedures. Otherwise, they're aware that they're explicitly screwing over people and aren't serious about hiring. Now we're back at my earlier claim, and you dodged a bullet.…

You are a cog in the machine with a company that has over a 1 and a half million employees.

Andy Jassy is my skip x 7 manager and he doesn’t know me from Adam. I doubt my skip x 3 manager would know me if he ran into on the street.

How much bargaining power do you think you really have? If any of us got hit by a bus, they would have an open req out before our body’s were in the ground and only be remembered when our name came up during a git blame.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by qaq »

hnlmorg wrote: post #80
marvin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Salaries are half though, so it's not all roses.

Not when you factor in the cost of living. Just house prices alone are drastically lower than in Silicon Valley.

Not all jobs in US are in SV, Also in tech hubs like Dublin the prices are getting there
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