Why is nobody giving slack to the horrible UK laws but instead go on how bad ThreeUK is. This is a prime example why traffic filtering breaks the internet and causes unfair advantage.
because it isn't happening on other providers evidently.
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#92If your company and your customers are suffering due to another company’s dubious policy, don’t contact customer service, contact legal@
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#93Interestingly enough iOS picks up the site as filtered as well, maybe due to some keywords
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#94I moved away from Three. I recently took out a phone contract, initially with Three. Took me two days to realise that they started charging a daily roaming fee while in another country in Europe - £2 a day. I immediately cancelled the contract and took out a new one with O2. Not ideal either, but at least O2 don't have this ridiculous policy.
Do not go with Three. I should've ditched them long ago.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m sure there are the same or more number of fraudulent cases coming from gmail accounts but they don’t block that one
The question is one of ratio, and false positives versus false negatives. If 90% of tutanota-orginated emails are fraudulent, tutanota is an excellent fraud indicator, even though it will block legitimate emails. If 10% of gmail-originated emails are fraudulent, gmail is a terrible fraud indicator, even though it will let fraudulent emails pass through, possibly more than the count of fraudulent emails coming from tu…
But if you block Tutanota the fraudsters will just switch to Gmail, and all you accomplished is that you inconvenienced legit Tutanota users.
I wonder why so many companies drag their feet when implementing actually useful anti-fraud measures (like supporting Verified-by-Visa) and instead block random email providers.
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#96The UK is almost as bad an enemy of the Internet as Australia and the nanny-state filters are beyond obnoxious. Back when I was with “Vodafone Full Fibre broadband” (in reality shitty VDSL because the truth-in-advertising authority gave ISPs license to lie), they had accidentally blocked StackOverflow for 3 days because it was actually the test site for implementation of the filters and they had been turned on by acc…
> A VPN is essential to defend yourself from the jackbooted UK government.
I tend to agree. Unfortunately even VPN doesn't entirely solve it though.
On the one hand wiregaurd makes this feel far more transparent and comfortable technically compared to how it used to with old fashioned crappy TCP over TCP style VPN... instead we now get low overhead, low latency, native, simple configuration etc.
The only problem is the end point: Running your own makes you very uniquely identifiable; using shared gets you on tons of blocklists or excessive captcha-walls of various popular and common services and underlying services like cloudflare or auth services such as google.
Even when running your own server you tend to get blocked due to having an IP from a VPS provider rather than a consumer ISP. It's basically impossible to get normal neutral internet these days... I find myself jumping between different servers, and turning it on and off, there is no single all access method... it's like wtf leave it alone guys, we are not in north Korea.
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#97Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…
> Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke.
I know someone who for a while was manager for a team of on-call engineers for a large-ish UK company.
As part of their precautions, they had contracts with all the big operators which they basically split into three groups Vodafone, Three, O2/EE.
The Vodafone contract was of course always the highest in cost, such is life with Vodafone. But nobody ever had a problem getting in touch with engineers on Vodafone SIMs, and the engineers didn't have much to bitch about either.... they could seemingly get signal and data everywhere, even basements.
O2/EE were sort of the Goldilocks option... not too good, not too bad. Data was generally better than Vodafone (O2/EE were generally quicker off the mark deploying 4G/5G whilst for a few years Vodafone customers suffered 3G in non-urban areas).
Meanwhile with Three, everything sucked. Sure they were the cheapest, but very much "get what you pay for". The Customer Service was terrible. But the main problem for my friend was the coverage. We're talking about prime Central London areas here (W,WC,EC postcodes) and the engineers on Three would regularly have either no signal or one/two bars. Infact in one office in particular, the IT room which overlooked a busy street was a Three blackspot, no signal whatsoever (meanwhile colleagues on Vodafone or O2/EE had no problems at all).
Eventually they got fedup, dropped Three and went for a two-carrier model. Three was not exactly bringing much to the table !
I should state this was around 5–10 years ago. So things might have changed. I suspect they have not changed substantially though.
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#98Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…
I did use Three for a while as a Mifi device at home and on the train when we moved back to the UK after we had our first baby back in 2011. As new clueless parents (who thought we were prepared but god no) I spent a lot of time researching English and Norwegian sites on breastfeeding and other baby matters. And so many sites was blocked by Three. So frustrating when these were big mainstream baby and health sites bu…
> As new clueless parents (who thought we were prepared but god no)
Absolutely no one is prepared, anyone who claims they are or seems to be are faking it.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is not the job of an ISP to decide what is fraudulent and what is not. They should be a dumb pipe between services and people.
That is not really true, ISPs are relied on by non-technical customers who have neither the personal chops nor a 24/7 technical assistant to help them. Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider. Its ability to properly discriminate and aggressively block or plonk messages isvery much one of the reasons peopl…
yes comrade, lets confine everyone to a handful of party-approved websites, for their own good.