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Re: Spotifyd

#91

Post by Godel_unicode »

SleekoNiko wrote: post #40
nzoschke wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse over time. The biggest change I personally suffered from is when they pulled out of their integration with Djay, a DJ app. This integration was amazing for bedroom DJs like myself, being able to use Spotify to organize DJ music and DJ directly from it. Then they sunset the entire integration. N…

> When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse over time. This is somewhat tangential, but I feel like this happens often, as internal power and culture shifts away from being developer-driven to consumer- or manager-driven. This doesn't happen for every company, thankfully.

A lot of music streaming providers get to pay less for radio plays than for user-directed plays, which in turn drives a lot of that behavior.

Re: Spotifyd

#92

Post by Godel_unicode »

ubercow13 wrote: post #63
KMnO4 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you don’t own your music either.

Neither in some sense do people who own physical media, eg. a CD.

I’m what sense is that, exactly? I can sell my discs, play them however often and in whatever device I want. I can also rip as many times as I want onto as many computers as I want.

Re: Spotifyd

#93

Post by alexanderchr »

harry8 wrote: post #75

I used something different. Basic details for your entertainment/edification/comedy source material follow mostly so you can shortcut a comparison if you're building something at your place. 1) Pi-zero running shairport-sync (couldn't get them, got orange-pi zero 2 which works great) https://github.com/mikebrady/shairport-sync . I have a few of these. 2) Class D amp, Aiyima, Fosi, Loxjie etc Aliexpress is one place t…

I’ve a similar setup but added a dedicated DAC. Honestly not sure I could tell the difference, only got it because I read the built in DAC is not the best. Could be worth looking into if you care about great sound.

https://www.hifiberry.com/

Btw what is the additional value of owntone if you’re already running airplay? Doesn’t AirPlay2 already do multiroom?

Re: Spotifyd

#94

Post by Godel_unicode »

disintegore wrote: post #15
svnpenn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I‘m kind of amazed that this is still working. this is why: > Spotifyd requires a Spotify Premium account which is actually not true. you can change some code in the source, to allow playback on free accounts. Spotify hunts down anyone who posts code like that though

Isn't there a better way to do this? Rate limiting, splicing ads into the audio signal for non-paying users, providing a stable API for paying users only, etc. Beats siccing your lawyers on hapless geeks.

People following instructions to dodge paying by commenting out the payment check code are hardly “hapless geeks”. Nobody does this by accident.

Re: Spotifyd

#95

Post by 0x457 »

super256 wrote: post #36
nzoschke wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse over time. The biggest change I personally suffered from is when they pulled out of their integration with Djay, a DJ app. This integration was amazing for bedroom DJs like myself, being able to use Spotify to organize DJ music and DJ directly from it. Then they sunset the entire integration. N…

> Do the labels prefer Tidal over Spotify for some reason? Or did Spotify decide to get out of this game for reasons of their own? Me, being a naive speculator: Maybe it has something to do with the time. The original contracts between spotify + labels were probably written 15 years ago. Over time they might have changed numbers like how big spotify's cut is, but never revised the rest of the blueprint contracts. So,…

I used to work in music and had to deal with requirements forced on us by labels and such. Those contracts aren't "written 15 years ago and barely revisited" music industry lawyers wouldn't leave a stone unturned of turning it will benefit their client.

Labels do prefer Tidal because it's a service made by the music industry. However, Spotify is lacking features it used to have because they are product driven and such integrations are not on product people's radar (like you said - lazy and don't care).

Re: Spotifyd

#96

Post by lmm »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #65
nzoschke wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be. When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse over time. The biggest change I personally suffered from is when they pulled out of their integration with Djay, a DJ app. This integration was amazing for bedroom DJs like myself, being able to use Spotify to organize DJ music and DJ directly from it. Then they sunset the entire integration. N…

Tidal was basically a music streaming platform made by the music industry itself to have some leverage in negotiations with Spotify / Alphabet / Apple / Amazon. It's since evolved into something else, but it's not surprising that Tidal can get some unique deals due to its close industry ties.

Back when I worked at a competitor that got pushed aside by Spotify, the internal narrative was that the labels would always give a good deal to a young company, then turn the screws on them while giving good deals to a younger competitor, so that they could keep everyone small and preserve the idea that there was an alternative to piracy without risking any real changes to their business.

Re: Spotifyd

#98

Post by darknavi »

bobleeswagger wrote: post #44
kitsunesoba wrote: post #8

I'm glad this exists, but it's unfortunate that the reverse-engineered librespot that this depends on is necessary, thanks to Spotify backpedaling on their promises of a streaming-capable replacement for libspotify.

You guys still don't own your music? Laughs in Lidarr

Which front end do you use to listen? I am really digging Plex Amp these days.

Re: Spotifyd

#99

Post by harry8 »

alexanderchr wrote: post #93
harry8 wrote: post #75

I used something different. Basic details for your entertainment/edification/comedy source material follow mostly so you can shortcut a comparison if you're building something at your place. 1) Pi-zero running shairport-sync (couldn't get them, got orange-pi zero 2 which works great) https://github.com/mikebrady/shairport-sync . I have a few of these. 2) Class D amp, Aiyima, Fosi, Loxjie etc Aliexpress is one place t…

I’ve a similar setup but added a dedicated DAC. Honestly not sure I could tell the difference, only got it because I read the built in DAC is not the best. Could be worth looking into if you care about great sound. https://www.hifiberry.com/ Btw what is the additional value of owntone if you’re already running airplay? Doesn’t AirPlay2 already do multiroom?

Not sure I understand the question. If you have airplay speakers something has to send music to them? Airplay 1 does multiroom just fine and always has.

Owntone on your local network gives a nice persisten connection to whichever speakers you decided to switch on. The music signal is not being relayed from your phone to the speakers so it doesn't degrade as you move about doing your thing.

You control owntone and tell owntone, enable the speakers in the bedroom, livingroom and deck setting each volume separately and play this m3u playlist of your music, or this album, or this spotify playlist or podcast or whatever to all of them at the same time, synchronized.

Owntone does the job of the apple music/itunes software on a mac (ie the software that ships with a mac laptop to play mp3 files), which does multiroom to airplay 1 speakers. Iphones don't do this and don't do it with spotify. I mean not even an iphone to an appleTV plugged into an amp does spotify reliably. Apple's phone controlling an appleTV box requires constant reboots to function which is enough to stop anybody from using spotify with that setup. Is that intentional? Spotify clearly think so. Doesn't look good but I don't have deeper evidence than these observations of what works and what does not.

Owntone development isn't being controlled by apple for their business interests, eg it does spotify, lastfm and works like apple doesn't in my experience of it with the stuff the devs wanted to work (get involved and hack it to your needs if you have more?) - whatever you think is the reason the apple software not working, it clearly doesn't and owntone does. It works controlled from android, or your laptop, or your desktop, or tablet with the music you want not what apple "allows" or "cares enough to not have be broken" or insert some other excuse (maybe there's a convincing one but I can't think of it).

Re: Spotifyd

#100

Post by Jensson »

elefanten wrote: post #49
SleekoNiko wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Spotify was young they were extremely developer and ecosystem friendly. It gets progressively worse and worse over time. This is somewhat tangential, but I feel like this happens often, as internal power and culture shifts away from being developer-driven to consumer- or manager-driven. This doesn't happen for every company, thankfully.

Seems quite related to the standard 'company lifecycle' And, to your point, not every company follows one. But most do.

What big company didn't end up manager driven after a couple of decades? Even Google ultimately went down that path.
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