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Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by dismantlethesun »

nerdawson wrote: post #67
_Algernon_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>hack This is not "hacking". This is information derived from publicly available information, presumably a quite trivial inference. If it is public information that x=2 and y=3, then x+y=5 isn't suddenly private information, just because it requires a trivial inference.

Photos taken on phones often contain GPS data. If someone publicly shares a photo they’ve taken and the data isn’t scrubbed, it’s trivial to find out where the photo was taken. Just because it’s easy to uncover doesn’t mean it’s fine to go off and broadcast it. That’s doxxing.

I’m not sure it’s broadcasting. My OS just displays location EXIF by default next to the thumbnail.

It’s only the web browser that hides that stuff.

If a later change to Chrome makes EXIF data easily viewable is then a privacy concern?

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by nickthegreek »

hulitu wrote: post #66
altacc wrote: post #64

Hmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;) I think it’s interesting to see somebody who thought content moderation was a simple problem realise that content moderation is actually an incredibly difficult and, in some ways, unsolvable problem. However it risks becoming a dominant conversation when there are plenty of other good conversations to have.

> Hmmm, at this rate we’re going to have to create Elon News ;) Some people cannot sleep at night withour looking in other's people shit.

When someone else’s shit starts stinking up the area where I am, it makes it hard to sleep.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by nickthegreek »

wizeman wrote: post #74
_Algernon_ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.

> The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. No, it's not. Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This government program was specifically designed to hide the link between an aircraft identifier and the owne…

If it’s not meant to be public. Why do his planes broadcast the information through the airwaves to anyone who wants to listen?

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by leereeves »

_djo_ wrote: post #80
wizeman wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ADS-B information is broadcast unencrypted in real time from every civilian aircraft all the time. ADS-B information is available publicly, but what's not always available publicly is which aircraft (or rather, which aircraft identifier) belongs to whom. Specifically, if an aircraft is subscribed to this program, then it receives a new temporary identifier every month, unconnected to the owner: https://www.faa.gov/…

Musk is lying. This is what an aircraft in the PIA programme looks like. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a0fe01 Note the 'PIA' flag and lack of additional information that would normally be pulled from the registry. In fact if you searched the registry for A0FE01 you would not find the actual aircraft but a placeholder. Musk uses three jets, N628TS, N272BG, and N502SX. None are in the PIA programme, all are easi…

As was pointed out in responses to your independent post about this[1], aircraft enrolled in PIA still have public permanent codes, which they must use when outside the US, as Musk is now (at the World Cup in Qatar).

Linking to the adsbexchange page for that permanent code doesn't prove that no anonymous temporary PIA codes exist.

You should be more careful before accusing someone of lying.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037780

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by hk__2 »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #86
hk__2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> presumably a quite trivial inference It’s not a trivial inference.

You're actually right. No inference at all is necessary, because none of Musk's planes are part of the PIA program in the first place: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524

Some have been for a couple months. In any case, figuring out which plane uses which PIA code might seem easy if the patterns are always the same, but that’s still not trivial enough not to be considered as a privacy breach. Everything here sounds a bit like the "yes the house was private but the door was open" robber excuse.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by _djo_ »

leereeves wrote: post #94
_djo_ wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Musk is lying. This is what an aircraft in the PIA programme looks like. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a0fe01 Note the 'PIA' flag and lack of additional information that would normally be pulled from the registry. In fact if you searched the registry for A0FE01 you would not find the actual aircraft but a placeholder. Musk uses three jets, N628TS, N272BG, and N502SX. None are in the PIA programme, all are easi…

As was pointed out in responses to your independent post about this[1], aircraft enrolled in PIA still have public permanent codes, which they must use when outside the US, as Musk is now (at the World Cup in Qatar). Linking to the adsbexchange page for that permanent code doesn't prove that no anonymous temporary PIA codes exist. You should be more careful before accusing someone of lying. 1: https://news.ycombinato…

You're right about international flights and I should have specified that, but you can view the aircraft's recent US-only flights and see that it also used its permanent ICAO code.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by leereeves »

_djo_ wrote: post #96
leereeves wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As was pointed out in responses to your independent post about this[1], aircraft enrolled in PIA still have public permanent codes, which they must use when outside the US, as Musk is now (at the World Cup in Qatar). Linking to the adsbexchange page for that permanent code doesn't prove that no anonymous temporary PIA codes exist. You should be more careful before accusing someone of lying. 1: https://news.ycombinato…

You're right about international flights and I should have specified that, but you can view the aircraft's recent US-only flights and see that it also used its permanent ICAO code.

There are also gaps in the history ("no data available") of the permanent code, like:

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af&lat=34.765&lon=-...

Couldn't they have used the PIA code on those days?

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by _Algernon_ »

wizeman wrote: post #74
_Algernon_ wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.

> The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. No, it's not. Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This government program was specifically designed to hide the link between an aircraft identifier and the owne…

>Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy

Wrong. None of Musk's planes are part of the PIA program: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 as evident by any ads-b map out there.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by Turing_Machine »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #22
kolinko wrote: post #4

It breaks reddit rules probably - against doxxing and publishing private information of individuals. My bet is that it will get banned very soon.

>private information It is publicly available information.

So what?

Virtually all doxxing is derived from public records.

Re: R/ElonJetTracker

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Post by Turing_Machine »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #52
charcircuit wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most doxxing is publically available information.

In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.

> In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though.

Nope. A lot of it comes from public sources, such as property taxes, vehicle registrations, court records...

It's still doxxing.

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