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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by roeles »

grecy wrote: post #51
musicale wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs importantly said the customer experience . Remember Jobs also famously said: “Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why…

I think Jobs quoted Gretzky more than once too: "Skate to where the puck is going, not where it has been" - Wayne Gretzky

Alan Kay has explained this quote a bit, which I thought was insightful.

It's not about tracking the Puck. It's about seeing the big picture and positioning yourself such that it will be passed to you.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by CamperBob2 »

remote_phone wrote: post #63
xen2xen1 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs was smart enough to not be dumb in public. That is a very, very important factor.

I haven’t seen Musk have a temper tantrum in public.

Calling someone a pedophile on Twitter withot evidence qualifies as a temper tantrum in my book.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by hk1337 »

musicale wrote: post #27
22289d wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

Jobs importantly said the customer experience . Remember Jobs also famously said: “Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why…

> If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'

Oddly, enough that’s what he ended up doing. We even describe the power of the engine in horsepower. Granted it’s not a 1:1 translation to an actual horse.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

> “some people who don’t know what they’re talking about”

That was for the guy who asked the question. I love how Jobs had that elegant way of being an asshole back to those that deserved it, and in such a subtle way you hardly noticed him actually being an asshole.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

raydiatian wrote: post #82
johnsillings wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? I don't understand the dude's question on a technical level.

To my mind it’s a bit of a trick question intended to bait Jobs into comparing apples to oranges. OpenDoc’s goal seems to be something of an early fediverse (shoot me if you disagree): a component framework that would allow applications to aggregate/compose/edit/display documents or subfragments thereof simultaneously from a federated network of sources, in an open standard that would allow anybody to roll their own…

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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by cphoover »

Everyone is cheering this on... But as far as I can tell Apple did not win the Document Editor and business computing war vs MS.

Microsoft clearly won with the Microsoft Office Suite and Microsoft Word... I'm not sure about this specific tech or if OpenDoc would have made any difference... But is it an impossibility that open standards could have been a strong weapon against MS market dominance?

Either way the man is undeniably a legendary public speaker.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by carbocation »

cphoover wrote: post #98

Everyone is cheering this on... But as far as I can tell Apple did not win the Document Editor and business computing war vs MS. Microsoft clearly won with the Microsoft Office Suite and Microsoft Word... I'm not sure about this specific tech or if OpenDoc would have made any difference... But is it an impossibility that open standards could have been a strong weapon against MS market dominance? Either way the man is…

I don't think people are cheering this on because the business decision led to product victory.

I think people are cheering this on because he gave a really thoughtful answer to an aggressive question, and how he did it is worth thinking about.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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Post by cypress66 »

22289d wrote: post #16
CharlesW wrote: post #4

That 10 second pause before he responds — 25 seconds if you don't count the reference to the famous quote, which buys him a bit more time — is amazing. What may be less well understood by people who weren't there is that he's addressing Apple employees just as much as he is Apple developers. Many Apple employees had the same question. [Source: Was at Apple at the time.] "You've got to start with the customer experien…

> "You've got to start with the customer experience and work backwards to the technology. You can't start with the technology and try to figure out where you're going to try to sell it." Crypto still hasn't figured this out. The entire focus is on how to get people using the technology. If you start out being completely unwilling to use a database, that should be a red flag you're falling into this trap. Would a bloc…

Bitcoin did "figure that out". You're referring I think to cashgrabs that slap the Blockchain term to try to milk some money.

Bitcoin originates from a concrete customer experience issue: lack of digital money with some cash like properties (non reversible, pseudonymous, trustless, etc). [1]

Something like that had been tried to create a few times before, but Blockchain was the first solution to that problem. In other words bitcoin solved a problem looking for a solution, not the other way around.

That being said, crypto UX has a LOT to improve. But let's not confuse projects that use "blockchain" because some manager thought it was cool, or literal cashgrabs, with actual crypto projects.

[1] You may think those properties aren't good or useful, but there clearly was and is people that find that useful, so let's not beat the dead horse with that debate.

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