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Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

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I've spent ~100k on Amazon and have been a Prime member since introduction. Last month, I canceled my membership and stopped using Amazon altogether. I've never had a problem returning product. But Amazon pivoted from a discount retailer to a premium retailer of convenience. In some cases, products are 3-4x the price of local retailers. I'd rather spend the money locally than pay a premium to Amazon.

>But Amazon pivoted from a discount retailer to a premium retailer of convenience. While it's true that they don't always have the best prices on everything, that's pretty much the exact opposite of my main gripe with Amazon. They pivoted into being a shitty bazaar.

That's exactly why they are my place of last resort now. There used to be a time where I bought almost everything at Amazon. These days I have very little trust that the products aren't some cheap knockoffs or already used and repackaged stuff sold as brand new and so on. I always shop at dedicated stores now...I feel this is quite bad long term for Amazon but maybe I'm wrong. My trust in the shopping experience has evaporated over the years and I've been a Prime member since the first hour it was available.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where am I supposed to buy electronics online? I live 2 hours away from the nearest Microcenter, and newegg is also a nogo.

I have had great experiences with B&H photo - https://www.bhphotovideo.com/

This is where I try to buy most of my electronic equipment now. The shipping is quite fast to my location (faster than Amazon Prime) and the prices are usually pretty competitive.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#93
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Was it sold by Amazon or a third party? The only times I had issues with returns was with third parties

Doesn't matter. Amazon commingles the inventory so you might get a fraudulent product from a third-party seller even if you buy from Amazon itself. Always buy electronics from a reputable retailer like B&H Photo or Target. Amazon or NewEgg are not trustworthy.

Sure, you might get a fraudulent product either way. But that's not the problem here. The problem here is that they couldn't return the product and get their money back. And the scam itself caused that situation.

That has everything to do with whether it was Amazon themselves denying the return, or the seller themselves.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#94
Having spent many years in "Outbound" of Amazon Fulfillment, I'm skeptical that Amazon would ever know that they didn't send a fake item.

Items aren't inspected deeply when they arrive. Fakes can get in.

Items that are misplaced and later found are presumed to be good- no quality checks opening the package. If the barcode scans, the system just adds it.

The picker, sorter, packer all do a quick quality check to see if the box is broken. They sure aren't opening it to see what's inside.

All that's left is the weight check as the package leaves the building. The putty the scammers use weighs exactly the right amount.

The only time the item might be checked for being correct is when it's returned. And they do that because a lot of scammers buy the real item and then send back a box full of putty.

My guess? Someone didn't do a complete check on a previous return- hey, associates have to make rate or they'll be fired, corners get cut. The fake got restowed, resold, and then the second time it was returned someone did a real check.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL, your delivery guy doesn't just dump everything on the doorstep as quietly as they can? Or for anything requiring a signature (actually, can't remember the last time I had that through Amazon) run up and stick the "customer wasn't home" sticker on the door without even trying the doorbell or knocking? I have been working from home, my wife also working from home--so driveway full of cars--and on several occasions…

One time I happened to be standing in my doorway chatting to a friend when I got the call from FedEx/UPS to say they were (at that very moment) trying to get into my building but couldn't and didn't have the time to wait. While on the phone and very confused I happened to look around the street and saw the driver sitting in his van 20 meters away talking to me on his phone. When I said this, he very sheepishly came o…

> otoh I'm guessing the poor guy probably didn't have time to piss while delivering > 1.5x the maximum possible number of deliverable packages in a normal working day.

He should take that up with his employer or switch jobs. Not gaslight customers. The amount of fedex deliveries where they claimed I wasn't home has been absurd lately. I have a doorbell camera, and checked. No fedex truck ever appeared all day.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#96
I can see how the shitshow commenced though. Instead of contacting Amazon via chat and providing a few photos to document the process the family did a regular return which off was in turn picked up as fraudulent.. No one's fault in particular but annoying situation for sure!!

Reality for me has always been that Amazon is rather flawless on return policy (in the UK anyway!)

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#98
I strongly suspect prioritized handling or some other points-based system that classifies customers and the quality of care they 'deserve'.

I've had 1 or 2 issues before (things late, wrong things etc) and all of them were handled nearly instantly and pleasantly, where I got the benefit of the doubt and left deeply satisfied.

Fast-forward to a week or so ago. I had a shipment coming in, paid extra for 2-day delivery. It was late, but I really needed it by a certain date because I was traveling after. First rep I got said they'd pull some strings to get it routed earlier, offered some refunded shipping etc. Awesome service like I was used to.

I looked later and the updated shipping wasn't shown, so I wasn't sure it went through. So I contacted again the next day and got... slightly less good service. They actually said the rerouting might happen, and maybe I could get a pickup, but to check again the next day if it moved. I contacted them a third time the next day and this was the worst service I had ever gotten. The rep said there was nothing to be done... no discount for inconvenience, no expedited shipping, no early pickup options, literally nothing. They actually even kept the chat open after we were done talking so I couldn't leave negative feedback. I was floored. After years of amazing service I couldn't believe it... it didn't even feel like the same company.

In the end, it did come early (looks like the first rep did what they promised, just took a while to show up) but in the meantime, contacting them several times about the same issue downgraded me to "not worth helping" customer status.

I've noticed (like others mentioned) that the quality of goods available on Amazon has downgraded significantly recently, so I suspect that means more people contact more frequently with issues.

Rather than interpreting it as a quality-of-goods problem, I suspect they've interpreted it as a quality-of-customer problem; that is, they've decided more and more customers have downgraded themselves from "generally good customer we should keep happy" to "customer who will complain about anything -- not worth keeping happy".

Let's hope they fix their algorithm.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where am I supposed to buy electronics online? I live 2 hours away from the nearest Microcenter, and newegg is also a nogo.

That's such a weird question lol, there is more online stores then Amazon and Newegg? There is hundreds. Just go buy it from literally anyone else besides Amazon if you give me your state I can probably tell you a list of about 100 that will ship there.

It's not a weird question. He wants to know one that is reputable (so do I), not just another random one that might have the same problem.

Re: Amazon shipped fake product, refuses refund until 'correct' item returned

#100

At the start of the article it cites Amazon’s “declining profits,” but later it says Amazon’s $386 billion a year in profits is growing at a slowing pace and might start growing by less than 20% year over year. What hardship.

They've mistaken net sales for profit. If Amazon had a profit of $386bn last year, I'd expected their market cap to be more then $960bn.
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