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Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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Hey, something maybe for one here I can shed some light on, for those who want a little more than the article gives. ;) I am a supervisor on a commuter rail, and in this respect they operate in a similar fashion. Like any other business, profits are key. Someone figures out staffing. Pretty much cut and dry. For a line from terminal A to B, there is one train per hour in each direction, 48 trains in a day. We need fo…

Wow. That's even worse.

I'm not even going to say which is worse, they both suck equally in my view. The problem with articles like this, as they (purposefully, perhaps) make no mention of such employer tactics. So, I guarantee most readers are saying or thinking "greedy union workers."

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

#92
I still find it hard to grasp that the concept of "sick days" even exists in the US. Especially since you get so few vacation days in the US as well.

There is no equivalent here in Germany, if you're sick you're sick and you do get paid (long-term illnesses are handled differently, but that's almost an entirely separate topic). This is really a subject that should be regulated from the top, and not something everyone has to fight for over and over again.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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It is time for the government to step in and do more than force a contract agreement. They need to threaten the Railroad companies and side with America workers. Some suggestions:

- Take back the railroads that the public built and maintained. Then charge commercial rail for the use of them. This is a huge issue since it currently is a major limitation of passenger rail in the US, and once again, having these be public could help spur the necessary improvements for passenger rail.

- Breaking up the railroad monopolies. We've broken up companies before, so there is precedent to do it again.

- Nationalize the railroad companies. This is highly unlikely it will ever happen in the US, but it should be discussed. It could become something similar to the post office.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

#95
As I understand, the problem here is that any railroad that behaves reasonably here, will be punished by the markets, and the management that made the decision will likely be replaced.

The solution, as others have pointed out, is that this should be a regulatory requirement rather than negotiated business-by-business.

There are not really any "losers" in such a fix: The workers get a more appealing and reasonable benefit package and life. Managers keep highly paid managing jobs. The businesses keep making large profits, perhaps a tiny sliver less. The stock remains very valuable, whatever variance this causes would likely not even be noticed among the daily swings of the market. Consumers never even notice their new widgets cost pennies more because of a tiny change in freight rates, etc.

Congress did not see what the winning play was, and instead perpetuated the bad situation.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

#96

Fuck the shareholders. Strike. Yes, I am absolutely willing to pay more in the short term for things so that people are treated with a little basic human decency. Moreover, I'm more than happy to pay a little more for things in the long term to ensure that there's enough slack in the system to absorb the shocks that periodically come around. We've just spent almost three years slowly killing everyone in healthcare be…

Household debt in the U.S. is at 20 year highs. Household savings levels have completely collapsed. Inflation is still ripping. Clearly the Biden administration understands that these factors, when combined with a huge supply shock caused by a rail strike, would devastate households (the vast majority of which don't earn premium tech salaries - the median household income in the U.S. is $70K). How many millions would…

>Household debt in the U.S. is at 20 year highs.

Isn't the largest share of household debt a home mortgage? Implying that talking about the rail strike is a distraction from the root cause. There are still real consequences to Americans from the rail strike, but (very much like the student debt crisis) it seems like tap dancing around the root cause doesn't really fix the problem.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not the railroad workers' fault that half of Americans can't afford food and basic necessities.

You're not wrong, but policy is often not crafted on just the concept of fairness, but also other considerations like the stability of society.

Maybe (In the US) we need society to fail a little bit. "Christmas to be canceled," as the President likes to say when justifying why the railworkers will have to accept not having sick days.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

#98
post #18

This problem does not seem unique to railroads. Any business that depends on human labor to deliver a service would have this problem. Airlines, restaurants, theatre companies. The way to deal with this is to have excess labor available (slack in the system). Are railroad profit margins so small that paying for excess labor will bankrupt them? Maybe labor in the railroad industry is so highly regulated that labor fle…

> Are railroad profit margins so small that paying for excess labor will bankrupt them?

No. Railroads have the largest profit margins in American business.

> For the nation as a whole, profit margins generally sit at about 9% (8.89% to be precise), however, in transport, specifically railroads, this stands at 50.93%, the highest in the US.

https://ajot.com/news/railroads-are-usas-most-profitable-ind...

> US freight railroads are in a bit of a predicament, and it’s not just because they are going down to the wire on labor contract negotiations with their 115,000 workers.

> Large railroads, including Union Pacific Corp. and Warren Buffett's BNSF Railway Co., have juiced their profits so high by increasing efficiency and paring their workforces over the last several years that they have boxed themselves into a corner with no catalyst to keep attracting investors. Adjusted operating margins for the five largest US railroads were 41% last year, compared with 29% 10 years ago and 15% less than a couple of decades ago. Those margins are off the charts when compared with other transportation companies, including trucking, parcel, air freight, maritime shipping, airlines, you name it.

> In pushing those margins over the past five years to a level that analysts most likely would have thought were unobtainable, the railroads have angered their customers with high prices and poor service and have alienated their workers, who complain they’re being overworked after the railroads cut their ranks as much as possible.

> But far from looking to improve those relationships with customers and workers, the railroads still seem fixated on operating margins. Even as negotiations with the labor unions have dragged on for more than two years and have frozen rail workers’ salaries at 2019 levels, the railroads are asking union members to pay more out of pocket for health care.

> And no one can argue the railroads can’t afford their workers. In one example, Union Pacific, the largest publicly traded US railroad, paid investors more than $41 billion in dividends and share buybacks over five years through 2021. In the first six months of this year, the Omaha, Nebraska-based company heaped an additional $5 billion on shareholders.

> Instead of looking at the labor contract as an opportunity to win over their employees and work together to improve service — again, the key to any strategy to take truck traffic — the railroads seem to be more concerned about protecting their profit margin gains.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/energy/railroads-get...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-08-03/railro...

The requirement for always increasing profits has resulted in mismanagers squeezing the railroad system until there is no further slack in the system. Because railroad workers form an "equal but separate" employment system to what the rest of the public sees, the public ends up staying terribly misinformed about just how different that railroad employment system is.

Since the executive classes get bonuses based on the wrong sort of incentives, the only way they can get bonuses is to abuse their workers to the point that even the public starts to notice.

> Railroad pensions are the only private pensions that I know of that are specifically called out in IRS tax forms. That has always seemed odd to me, and is probably some indication of how tightly regulated labor in the railroad business is.

Railroad workers have been kept out of the Social Security system from the very beginning. They can only get retirement benefits from the Railroad Retirement Board. Until recently (most of the changes were in 2006), many state & local government workers were also kept out of Social Security and were forced to rely on underfunded public pensions. No such changes have been made for railroad workers.

https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/retirement/planner/railroad.htm...

https://www.rrb.gov/

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This approach is taken with regulated utilities and telcos as well--natural gas utilities design their systems with enough capacity to serve all firm customers on the expected coldest day of the year (called a "design day") and circuit switched telephone networks were designed to handle the traffic expected on Mother's Day.

Except in Texas, of course. But then, one might argue that utilities in Texas aren't meaningfully regulated.

They are, actually. The PUCT has historically done a great job.

But, legislation (outside PUCT) has allowed the utility (generators and transmission/distribution asset owners) to cut the system to the bone and defer maintenance and expansion despite a new city's worth of people (~100k) relocating each month to Texas.

Re: Why America’s Railroads Refuse to Give Their Workers Paid Leave

#100

Stories from the US always sound like feudalism stories from long times past.

I took a cross-country round trip on Amtrak once, because I had the time and I wanted to try it out. The entire time I was on the train felt like a time warp back to the 50s/60s. Even the food in the dining car was like something out of a Betty Crocker cookbook.

Now this wasn't terrible, mind you, because I did get to disconnect and enjoy some quiet time in my private room. But it was obvious the whole thing was still run like it had been for decades.

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