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Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by dagmx »

bluescrn wrote: post #87
sosodev wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"

Remember way back before the era of social media mob justice, when there was this concept of 'forgiveness'? At least some of the banned deserve a second chance. Those who were total monsters will probably be quickly re-banned. Others have found their own echo chambers elsewhere and won't even bother coming back.

Banning is usually only for repeat offenders. Usually you get multiple suspensions before the ban.

Which is basically what you described and therefore is already how it works.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by lijogdfljk »

sosodev wrote: post #50
Macha wrote: post #8

> First, none of our policies have changed. Our approach to policy enforcement will rely more heavily on de-amplification of violative content: freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach. "Nothing has changed, except..." > Our Trust & Safety team continues its diligent work to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct, abusive behavior, and any violation of Twitter's rules. The team remains strong and well-resourc…

Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"

Yea.. how does he expect this to be interpreted? Their stance hasn't changed.. cool, except before Twitter said some people posted hateful content, and banned them. Now they unbanned them, so what is the non-change?

Does twitter agree that the comments were hateful, did that not change? If didn't change, then twitter agrees they were hateful comments and twitter is now happy to have them on the platform.

Musk can't keep his foot out of his mouth here it seems.. it's very confusing.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by Zigurd »

This is Eon's previous claim that "nothing has changed" rehashed. It is an attempt to gaslight advertisers; "Do you believe all the people complaining about Nazis, racists and misogynists that you see with your lying eyes, or do you believe our policy statement?"

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

#94

Post by imperialdrive »

kilroy123 wrote: post #28

Let's be honest – Musk doesn't know what the hell he is doing here.

Honest question - Maybe he will very quickly? I have no skin in the game, but the occasional Twitter links sent my way in group chats still load just fine, pretty fast actually, and the related page content appears to be less 'spammy'. Seems like a little progress if anything.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by memish »

andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

It's just referencing the fact that the new Twitter is more open and transparent. I can't believe how many people are spinning this as a bad thing.

We heard almost nothing from Parag and little from Jack when he was running it and experiments were opaque from the outside.

Now we're hearing from the CEO and employees like George Hotz about what they are doing and planning, and they're involving the community, asking for feedback directly.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by lijogdfljk »

janoc wrote: post #57
CrypticShift wrote: post #11

> What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation including I suppose Elon's experimental approach to management. I hope that in 10 years, we will look back at this twitter 2.0 (= musk's debacle) as the impetus that lead to more widespread adoption of social media 2.0 (= federation) I already see the snowball effect getting momentum with all this coverage (NPR, NYT...) and big name exits (Apple...)

It won't. Federation doesn't solve any of the problems Twitter now has. That instead of one poorly managed understaffed silo full of trolls and abusers you have 2000 poorly managed, even more understaffed systems with 2000 different approaches to moderation and content doesn't make anything easier or fixed for people who use Twitter today. It is the same like we had federated chat with Jabber for 20 years now - and n…

/shrug, depends on how people view the problem.

Smaller communities can be more focused and managed. Trying to get everyone in one place agreeing on one set of rules sounds impossible. At least federation has the potential to let groups exist differently as desired.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by HappySweeney »

smcl wrote: post #82
tshaddox wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff also actually did break.

Yeah probably - I just wasn't aware of anything too high-profile or calamitous

DCMA requests went unanswered for several days, leading many to post full movies in 2-minute sections.

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

andreyk wrote: post #12

TLDR: this post is entirely to calm advertisers, it can be boiled down to "don't worry, we still prioritize brand safety like before". It does have this gem in it: "What has changed, however, is our approach to experimentation. As you’ve seen over the past several weeks, Twitter is embracing public testing. We believe that this open and transparent approach to innovation is healthy, as it enables us to move faster an…

> this post is entirely to calm advertisers

Regulators, too [1].

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/a07ca1ae-9f9a-46ee-9457-27bb30e18...

Re: Twitter 2.0: Our continued commitment to the public conversation

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Post by cyberphobe »

bluescrn wrote: post #87
sosodev wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah... Also, the unbanning of users previously considered hateful also directly conflicts with "to keep the platform safe from hateful conduct"

Remember way back before the era of social media mob justice, when there was this concept of 'forgiveness'? At least some of the banned deserve a second chance. Those who were total monsters will probably be quickly re-banned. Others have found their own echo chambers elsewhere and won't even bother coming back.

Elon is pretty clearly unbanning violent right-wing extremists while banning rule-following accounts on the left, sometimes transparently at the direction of the right wingers. Why do you insist on pretending anything else?
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