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Re: Bye, Twitter

#91
My experience has been the same, I love the threads on the local feed on mathstodon.xyz. and sigmoid.social has many top AI/ML researchers. This is the social media I was promised!

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#92
I have a lot of respect for Tim Bray as a technologist and have followed him closely over the years. I have also been thinking about Paul Graham's "The Four Quadrants of Conformism" a lot lately. I am curious to hear where other folks who are familiar with both would perceive Tim mapping into this space?

Re: Bye, Twitter

#93

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I've never heard of these things as being 'alt-right.' If, anything the ability to have a 'traditional' family with a single wage earner and a full-time homemaker mother is simply an overt mark of privilege (because who else can afford to raise a family on a single income in this century?), not a mark of being right-wing. If you're saying that other, non-traditional family structures are something degenerate, yes, yo…

Then you clearly did not spend much time on pre-elon twitter where it was often the case. Infact more than one story has been posted on Twitter calling the "'traditional' family with a single wage earner and a full-time homemaker mother" actively dangerous to women in general and something that should not only be advocated against but actively resisted.

I've spent a lot of time on twitter, and I've never seen it. I have seen a lot of "martyrdom" though.

E.g.: I don't like Elon Musk. According to Fox News, I'm a pinko commie that hates America.

Nothing you have said is anything other than 1980's conservatism.

What I find sad is that back in the 1980's conservatives still tried to ground their beliefs with intellectual arguments.

Re: Bye, Twitter

#94
post #88

> What I’m doing · I’m not closing or deleting my account, because Twitter might come back, who knows. > I’ll still use Twitter to post pointers to ongoing pieces because that benefits me, not Elon. So not really leaving. > Are people really leaving Twitter? · Yes. [..] So, suppose I’m right about Twitter… The evidence is that Mastodon users are increasing, and therefore leaving Twitter. The assumption is that they a…

> All that said, this person was likely more suited to a platform of hot-takes, rather than deep thinking.

As, of course, is jwz.

Smart people who we admire for their thinking and writing on technology can be embarrassingly shallow when it comes to other domains, and (as I’ve reluctantly learned over the decades) can be safely ignored when they opine obviously way out of their depth.

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#95

Elon bought twitter in hopes of turning it into his personal idea billboard, and also for it to serve as a promotional platform for people he wants to leverage. Even with a smaller audience, because of it's web presence, it does the job for him, even if it loses money in the short run. It does no good to express personal quitting on platforms like this, as they were never meant to serve unpopular, non-wealthy, and un…

> It does no good to express personal quitting on platforms like this, as they were never meant to serve unpopular, non-wealthy, and uninfluential people like us.

Maybe, but Tim Bray has a lot of followers so explaining to them that he's leaving, why, and where he's going seems to make sense. One person like him leaving is no skin off of Musk's nose, sure. But if a lot of people that follow him think "Yeah, I'm thinking it's time to leave too..." it starts adding up as it cascades to their followers.

> The false narrative that any of these platforms offer us any potential beyond minor success or indentured work...

I think this is basically what Bray was saying. "Speaking as a random was-successful-on-Twitter person, I can see no good arguments for redirecting my voice into anyone else’s for-profit venture-funded algorithm-driven engagement-maximizing wet dream"

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#96
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What mainstream political views are you seeing cast as alt-right by the chronically online?

Traditional family values (not christian) but traditional nuclear family, traditional job / working to provide for a family, traditional parenting, etc. Anyone that does not have the term "CIS" in their vocabulary is called "alt-right" online

Elon’s behavior in no ways aligns with traditional family values. Dude has children with multiple women and I believe his step mother is also his step sister or something like that.

Re: Bye, Twitter

#97

I just don't understand the need to announce your decision to stop using a particular social media platform. It's a free web service. You can use it or not. I guess I should have made an announcement when I switched away from Gmail. "Hello everyone, I have decided to leave Gmail. I'll keep my account active, and still receive email there but I'm definitely leaving. I can't support Google which is a poster child of su…

> I guess I should have made an announcement when I switched away from Gmail.

Didn't you tell people who had your old gmail address that you'd be moving to another email provider and give them the new email address? This is kind of like that. He's got a lot of followers so explaining the why and where he's going seems like it makes sense.

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#98
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I am increasingly shocked that how mainstream traditional mainstreet political views are now viewed as "alt-right" online by the perpetual online class If Elon is alt-right then 85% of the US population is "alt-right"

Curious how you got to 85%?

Extracted it directly from an orifice most likely.

Re: Bye, Twitter

#99

A very vocal subset of Elon's followers went from "free speech absolutists" to organized mass reporting their enemies in a matter of days. That has to be some kind of record. Their enemies list: https://twitter.com/elmforkJBGC/status/1596041824573198336 Python script to mass report: https://twitter.com/WhiteRoseAFA/status/1596236817858056192

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Re: Bye, Twitter

#100

You can tell when the Elon fanboys feel threatened by how much they object to someone freely making a choice about where to spend their time. How dare this person make an announcement on their own website about their own decision about what websites they like?!

Maybe some of us have no particular opinion on Musk either way, but rather are shocked by the narrow-mindedness of the response to Twitter opening up and not being so ideologically captured.

> response to Twitter opening up

"opening up" like 4chan opened up.

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