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Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by phpisthebest »

luckylion wrote: post #66
abruzzi wrote: post #42

this is very common in the west. Its one of several ways to "own" more property than you paid for. If your property completely encloses 1000 acres of public land, that land is as good as yours (with the exception of building things, but many of the property owners in these cases are taking people hunting on the land, so no permanant structures would be built anyway.) Another common thing is land leases. I don't know…

If it doesn't grant them exclusive rights, and they can't e.g. put up "no trespassing" signs, wouldn't that be a crime because they are claiming ownership, and thereby claiming that the state does not have ownership? Have you ever reported one of them to see what happens?

It is only a crime if police and prosecutors are willing to enforce it.

Sadly today too much of the law is political, both left and right, with police and prosecutors choosing what laws they want to enforce, when, and on who (i.e picking people or groups they dislike)

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by phpisthebest »

f0000 wrote: post #39
jacob019 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prison--no... we do too much of that in this country already. He should be defeated though.

Yeah, we should only imprison the poor not white collar criminals they're too similar to ourselves.

who about we do not imprison either, only using prison to

1. Separate violent people from society

2. Separate people who through a long pattern of behavior have proven they cant or are unwilling the follow the laws of civil society

Economic status should not be a factor

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by JamesianP »

b3morales wrote: post #73
CWuestefeld wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd say the owner of the land that land-locks it gets to within reason decide the route that is permitted Suppose that the public land is sandwiched between two private owners. Which of those private owners must grant the access? Worse, suppose that that chunk in the middle wasn't originally public land, but is later purchased by the state. At that point, the previous owners - having done nothing on their own - are…

This has nothing to do with public ownership; it occurs with private ownership of the interior parcel as well. Are the outer parcel owners also unfairly encumbered by an access easement then?

Depends how they got that way. Will they pay for it? Perhaps they made an unwise investment and should have paid for more rights.

I have seen the case where someone buys a parcel from a larger property. Then turned around and demand easement access from the neighbor on the other side who was not party to the deal, because that neighbor has better roads and is easier to cross.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by srcreigh »

mediascreen wrote: post #16

As someone who has grown up with "Freedom to roam"[0] laws, it seems so weird that you would need to keep track of who owns the land where you are hiking. (To be fair you can't just hunt wherever you want in Sweden either.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam#Sweden

Interesting. In Sweden people can roam with some restrictions. In particular they can't go close to someone's house (up to 70m). Also, in Sweden, they wanted to protect the right to walk along a shoreline, so due to the other rule they stopped allowing houses to be built closer than 100m to the shoreline.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by teraflop »

phpisthebest wrote: post #89
Scaevolus wrote: post #21

A number of European countries have "freedom to roam". It would be nice if America had an equivalent, but given how lobbying works that seems impossible at this point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

As a general rule I dislike the form of government that is European, and prefer the American Individualist system, so I dont think it would be nice if America adopts more European laws, we have adopted too many of them already IMO. We revolted for a reason, many Americans seem to have forgotten those reasons in the centuries since, Europe has always been more authoritarian than the US, and they largely replaced monar…

It seems really odd to view a law granting individuals the right to use land for personal recreation as "authoritarian" and not "individualist".

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Post by torstenvl »

factsarelolz wrote: post #87
runsWphotons wrote: post #78

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why were her concerns more important than his? old man was probably alone all day as well and unsettled

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I have seen a lot of people with PTSD and I'm thankful for your consciousness of it and care about veterans. I wonder if there might be a way of going about discussing it that would be more effective in winning people over, though.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by burgerzzz »

teraflop wrote: post #95
phpisthebest wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule I dislike the form of government that is European, and prefer the American Individualist system, so I dont think it would be nice if America adopts more European laws, we have adopted too many of them already IMO. We revolted for a reason, many Americans seem to have forgotten those reasons in the centuries since, Europe has always been more authoritarian than the US, and they largely replaced monar…

It seems really odd to view a law granting individuals the right to use land for personal recreation as "authoritarian" and not "individualist".

It favors the collective rather than the individuals right to personal property, it’s not an odd view.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by 7952 »

phpisthebest wrote: post #89
Scaevolus wrote: post #21

A number of European countries have "freedom to roam". It would be nice if America had an equivalent, but given how lobbying works that seems impossible at this point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

As a general rule I dislike the form of government that is European, and prefer the American Individualist system, so I dont think it would be nice if America adopts more European laws, we have adopted too many of them already IMO. We revolted for a reason, many Americans seem to have forgotten those reasons in the centuries since, Europe has always been more authoritarian than the US, and they largely replaced monar…

In somewhere like the UK the "authority" can be the large land owner/aristocrat. And individuals own relatively little land. It is the kind of thing that Americans escaped from! In that context public access is a defence of individual rights. And often rights will have existed for hundreds or even thousands of years. Public access is a defence of that.

But I think the different culture of America is a really good practical reason against improving access for the public. Guns alone would make it risky.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by phpisthebest »

teraflop wrote: post #95
phpisthebest wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a general rule I dislike the form of government that is European, and prefer the American Individualist system, so I dont think it would be nice if America adopts more European laws, we have adopted too many of them already IMO. We revolted for a reason, many Americans seem to have forgotten those reasons in the centuries since, Europe has always been more authoritarian than the US, and they largely replaced monar…

It seems really odd to view a law granting individuals the right to use land for personal recreation as "authoritarian" and not "individualist".

Why? The "right to roam" is a collective right granting the public a "right" over that of the individual property owners right to control access and use to their property.

To conflate the "right to roam" as a "individual right" completely miss understands what an individual right is

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by kurthr »

exit wrote: post #35
teddyh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.

how is "a fair distance" specified?

It depends, but even travel is restricted within 70m of a house… so 250ft?
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