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German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by voidr »

dhdgrygev wrote: post #35

These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

One other way to see this is that this will stop MS360 from being the "industry standard", it doesn't take that much effort nowadays to make an alternative that is good enough, we are past the days where collaborative editing is considered "cool".

People from the US tend to underestimate the EU, the EU could easily give a bit of cash to a competitor along with some juicy contracts, the US is not the only bloc that can throw millions at a problem.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by ceejayoz »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #87
lgreiv wrote: post #50

My personal favorite outcome of this would be a joint public and corporate funded leap in open source development. This would do much for the budget, privacy and probably also security of businesses and private users. A good example where this principle is already in use is the Matrix protocol.

How does FOSS make gdpr compliance easier?

You can host it yourself on servers in the EU.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by johanneskanybal »

dhdgrygev wrote: post #35

These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.

You think all eu companies will die because microsoft will have to update their product? That’s a bit rash and random.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by calculated »

hef19898 wrote: post #27
bayesian_horse wrote: post #3

This will have absolutely zero impact. Everybody knows you must use Microsoft products and if those don't comply with regulations, the regulations will have to change...

Rather MS will find a way to make Teams GDPR compliant, huge market and huge fines and all such.

I'm skeptical about that since EU has activated itself in recent years. The universal USB-C is one example.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by baxtr »

admissionsguy wrote: post #71
xwolfi wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Im european and I can tell you from the inside, it's not the same mindset at all. We dont want to grow companies, in fact we barely give a fuck at all. It s hard to understand for capitalists, and I disliked this mindset so much I moved to Hong Kong, but that s what the people vote for: they d rather have no growth and no Microsoft 365 than put their data there. People in most of Europe are truly convinced finan…

> It's not a pragmatic strategy because it ignores we re not alone. It's worse than that, it's delusional and hypocritical. Here in Sweden people will proudly write "We are not like the Americans" on their iPhones, drive Teslas and generally base their whole lifestyles on the foundation created by the American capitalism and possible thanks to the protection of US military.

Amen.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by f_devd »

I'm not sure why there is such a doomer sentiment (mostly from the US community but also some EU) about stepping away from Office 365. There are already existing replacements which do comply with GDPR for all of their service (modulo any vendor lock that I can't think of right now). The ruling is mainly for Gvt and Edu sectors since those handle PII regularly through these services, so the main challenge will be packaging the currently relatively fragmented market in such a way that these sectors can migrate and adopt easily, which if done right is a single-time investment from the EU.

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by olivermuty »

f_devd wrote: post #96

I'm not sure why there is such a doomer sentiment (mostly from the US community but also some EU) about stepping away from Office 365. There are already existing replacements which do comply with GDPR for all of their service (modulo any vendor lock that I can't think of right now). The ruling is mainly for Gvt and Edu sectors since those handle PII regularly through these services, so the main challenge will be pack…

Any examples?

Finding mail and cloud storage alternatives is fairly easy, but as a business operator having this bundled into good identity management is what makes it hard to replace. OIDC provider support with mail and a secure way to store documents and I would be good.

Then slack could be wired in via SAML or apis for account management etc.

Right now its just a huge undertaking to replace the convenience of GSuite or O365 :(

Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by [deleted] »

f_devd wrote: post #96

I'm not sure why there is such a doomer sentiment (mostly from the US community but also some EU) about stepping away from Office 365. There are already existing replacements which do comply with GDPR for all of their service (modulo any vendor lock that I can't think of right now). The ruling is mainly for Gvt and Edu sectors since those handle PII regularly through these services, so the main challenge will be pack…

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Re: German privacy watchdogs conclude that Microsoft 365 is incompatible with GDPR

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Post by tomrod »

api wrote: post #86
tomrod wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's funny is that many Europeans I have spoken with from across the continent have the attitude that you come to the US when you are young to make money then retire to Europe to take advantage of the social safety net. Perhaps not yoir personal opinion, but definitely one that is anecdotally common among white collar workers.

That’s very unsustainable for Europe and great for the US since the latter gets the most productive years.

Right? European policy makers should look to determine what incentives they encourage that generates this fairly common attitude.
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