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A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by hnbad »

formerly_proven wrote: post #32

> Mark did not remember this video and no longer had access to it, but he said it sounded like a private moment he would have been inspired to capture, not realizing it would ever be viewed or judged by anyone else. Recontextualisation is one hell of a drug.

Honestly? My son is two years old and sleeps in the same bed as us. All three of us also don't like being too warm so during the summer months he would sometimes only wear his diapers and we would only wear underpants. It's not clear from the description what the video shows exactly but apparently the police didn't consider it a problem. If I had captured a moment of my son doing something cute while we're still in bed, that would have fit the description.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by dzhiurgis »

josephcsible wrote: post #22
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potentially yes, if you use a personal account for GCP. Don’t do it. If you have to use GCP, use a burner account… because Google is absolutely asinine right now. I would not trust Google if they were a hired employee to turn on my sprinklers in the morning. Edit: For this reason, I am actually all in favor of having GCP, AWS, Azure, etc declared utilities. Unless there is a crime, we have a right to an account. Your…

> If you have to use GCP, use a burner account Does that actually help? Don't they collect enough of your data to be able to correlate accounts?

This is starting to sound daunting. I’ve recently got few strikes for posting few pics of my kids at the beach on Instagram (Close Friends audience). Even if when my accounts were originally seperate from Facebook, they are connected. Loosing access to FB messenger would be PITA.

Much worse - losing access to iCloud/iPhone would be disastrous

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by beachy »

noirbot wrote: post #53
rosnd wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buy a domain name, now you have a portable email address.

Though I often have questions about how that works in terms of managing your domain. I feel like I shouldn't have the account I manage my domains with tied to an email address at the domain that's under management. If my email provider disappears, I'm potentially locked out of the account I need to log into in order to change the MX records, right?

It's hard to avoi nd this chicken and egg situation.

I use fastmail and they allow you "alias" addresses. So even though my primary email is on my custom dimain e.g. myname@mydomain.com, Fastmail also gives me an alsia of myname@fastmail.com. That's the email I used to log in (to AWS) and manage my MX records.

If either Fastmail or AWS were to go rogue/broke, I like to think I would eventually be able to restore access to my domain even without email? Hope never to find out.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by cgearhart »

sekh60 wrote: post #3

This story broke the camels back for us when it first appeared here and got us to migrate our email to protonmail and a domain we bought.

> migrate our email to protonmail

Any tips? It’s been on my lowest priority todo list to migrate off of gmail for several years, and I think the biggest reason I haven’t yet is that I know nothing about alternatives. I haven’t had to think at all about email for 15-20 years or so, and I’d like to keep it that way as much as possible after any switch. How close does protonmail get to that ideal?

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by dddw »

cypress66 wrote: post #63
bagels wrote: post #7

Does getting your google account blocked prevent you from using GCP? There are so many stories of people losing access to google accounts that it seems way too risky to use GCP when this sort of thing can happen.

I don't know why people use gcp, I would like to hear some opinions. The way I see it, if you don't mind price, you go with AWS (most polished). If you mind price gcp isn't really much cheaper, so you go with something actually cheap like OCI.

kubernetes is nicely integrated in GCP

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by skissane »

gonehome wrote: post #76
pyuser583 wrote: post #60

Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

IIRC there was a follow up which was arguably worse. Google implied that the account was suspended because of real CSAM concerns unrelated to the photos sent to the doctor/police officer (other photos in their account? they wouldn't go into details about their decision) and that the officer closing the case doesn't mean their judgement here is wrong. If that's the case I can understand why they're obstinate about the…

> There's no due process, no way to defend yourself, no way to get them to show how they made their decision. As I understand it you have no rights beyond the ToS.

This is where legislation is required. Mass-scale social media/cloud providers/etc are effectively public utilities, and you should be able to challenge their decisions in court - the current situation is as bad as if the electricity company could disconnect you for non-specific reasons and you had no reasonable prospects of a successful legal challenge to their decision.

(Such regulation should be limited to providers above a certain size-maybe a cutoff like 10 million MAU or 500 million annual revenue-so small players aren’t burdened by it.)

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by Terretta »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #86
cypress66 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why people use gcp, I would like to hear some opinions. The way I see it, if you don't mind price, you go with AWS (most polished). If you mind price gcp isn't really much cheaper, so you go with something actually cheap like OCI.

OCI as in Oracle Cloud Infrastructure?

Yep, it's the deep-pocketed enterprise's Hetzner or DO.

The sales slogan is something like, "All the costs of AWS, all the automation of a bare metal box!"

Ironically, more suitable to manually point-and-click or phone-call managed "lift and shift" than the infra-as-code clouds.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by rcoveson »

lrvick wrote: post #84
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the part that should receive a Congressional inquiry. I would love to see Congress drag Sundar Pichai (and no one else) before them and scream “What the hell is wrong with you?” in his face. We have courts for a reason. They found no wrongdoing. Google is objectively deciding they know better than an elected court on what happened. This whole situation is absurd and evil.

Remember Google can ban any account at any time for any reason including because they just do not like you. No Google software, devices, or data on their systems belongs to you. Sue them and they will remind you of this fact in detail. If you want to own your digital life you will have to commit to being a pariah in your social circle that is ridiculed constantly for using open source tools.

> If you want to own your digital life you will have to commit to being a pariah in your social circle that is ridiculed constantly for using open source tools.

I think your friends are just a little too obsessed with social media. The only response I ever hear to "I don't have a facebook/twitter/whatever" is "yeah, that makes sense, I think about deleting mine all the time."

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by Buttons840 »

gonehome wrote: post #76
pyuser583 wrote: post #60

Stratechery covered this … they pointed out the really f*ed: part: Google is refusing to reinstate the account. Protecting children is important. AI is imperfect. But there is no reason the keep the account suspended once it’s clear there was no wrongdoing. This man is innocent of doing anything wrong. Google had suspended him, and removed access to all his online account data. And refuses to reinstate. We balance ou…

IIRC there was a follow up which was arguably worse. Google implied that the account was suspended because of real CSAM concerns unrelated to the photos sent to the doctor/police officer (other photos in their account? they wouldn't go into details about their decision) and that the officer closing the case doesn't mean their judgement here is wrong. If that's the case I can understand why they're obstinate about the…

Morally speaking, once a company becomes big enough they should owe a minimal standard of customer service to society.

I'd hope to see this covered under anti-trust laws (not a lawyer though, don't know the laws or their applicability). There's only one Google, and Google had quite the monopoly on being Google. They're big enough to be either regulated or broken up.

Re: A Dad Took Photos of His Kid for the Doctor. Google Flagged Him as a Criminal

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Post by mopsi »

ronsor wrote: post #18
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Potentially yes, if you use a personal account for GCP. Don’t do it. If you have to use GCP, use a burner account… because Google is absolutely asinine right now. I would not trust Google if they were a hired employee to turn on my sprinklers in the morning. Edit: For this reason, I am actually all in favor of having GCP, AWS, Azure, etc declared utilities. Unless there is a crime, we have a right to an account. Your…

Google aggressively links accounts together. If you ever hire someone who was banned by big G, kiss everything goodbye.

Microsoft does it too: forces everyone to sign up to Microsoft account and defaults to syncing/saving to OneDrive. If you hit OneDrive content filters, you lose everything, including Excel spreadsheets and Xbox games.
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