Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
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Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
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What stake do you have in either of the debates that you're referencing? When was the last time a politician's family member or a trans person did anything good or bad for you, personally? If you didn't allow social media to get you invested in these manufactured pseudo-political pseudo-events, you'd be free to realize that Trump and Biden are both obvious idiots and crooks; that people's gender identities, biochemic…
At least in the UK, this became a matter of renewed public interest for two reasons: firstly, a proposed reform of the law to remove all gatekeeping from the process of changing one's 'legal sex', and secondly, an appalling case of several imprisoned women being sexually assaulted by a man (Karen White) who had been incarcerated alongside them due to having a 'legal sex' of female.
It was left-wing feminist groups, who organised largely offline to begin with, that reignited this debate. This wasn't some artefact of social media raging, it was a grassroots effort to halt and reverse a change in the law due to its clearly negative effects on women.
This is also a debate that has been ongoing for decades, long before social media websites even existed. Janice Raymond wrote what turned out to be a quite prophetic book on this topic in the 1970s, for instance. Renée Richards was stirring controversy in women's tennis at around the same time. Much of what you'll hear on this topic these days has already been covered by radical feminists for many years prior.
Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#93So reading the github page this sounds basically like a variation on RSS. There are a number of web servers that host content (either for free or for money) [called relays]. Clients download recent posts Identity is based on public key, allowing users more control and the ability to easily change relays. So is RSS + pubkey based identity the right way to think about this?
That's roughly my first thought too: the project seemed like pubsub with message authentication and without federation. Was about to bring up "Atom and RSS, mailing lists, NNTP, XMPP, ActivityPub, Matrix" as examples of existing protocols capable of that (to a different extent, and usually with more functionality), thought to add Mastodon to the list of examples too, but the README already mentions that Mastodon is u…
The protocol doesnt want users to run their own servers, but there also aren't really any incentives to run relays, so what happens when it gets big enough that running a relay is expensive or non-trivial? I feel like it would just fall back to users running their own servers like in mastadon.
Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#94I'm beginning to think that ActivityPub will never add anti-censorship features into the core protocol (for example, independent IDs that don't live on a relay server). Because I spoke with a core developer on ActivityPub stuff a couple of years ago about the issue of servers going offline and losing your account and he said that he was working on it. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was discouraged from continuing…
ActivityPub isnt the only distributed thingy to learn that lesson. There are a reason the various ultra-free-speech hosted on the dark web, things never take off.
Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#95Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I absolutely, unequivocally do not believe it. Bitcoin consumes 111TWh annually, the power consumption of the Netherlands, and emits 62Mt of CO2 per year, the same as Belarus. It also yields 42kT of e-waste per year. Each transaction produces 650kg of CO2, consumes 1160kWh of power (as much as 40 days consumption for the average American home) and produces 450g of e-waste (about the same as hucking your iPad into the…
So much FUD. 1) miners profit from energy surplus. They do not create new power plants. Nobody is firing up a new coal plant to mine bitcoin. That is absurd. 2) miners have incentives to find and use wasted energy. For ex, flare gas recycling. Which actually helps the environment. 3) miners can turn on/off at will, and produce energy loads on demand. Which means they balance out the energy grid. Especially from errat…
(2) burning flared methane is better than not but not flaring at all is best? There’s no such thing as stranded power, there’s only missing transmission infrastructure which is being incentivized not to come online through profitable waste at point of generation.
(3) raising the baseline usage level through waste then turning it off when there’s a brownout level crisis is just an asinine plan to manage load that costs everyone money. Active demand management is an actual solution. So is grid storage. Also, “some states” is Texas, famously the worst energy grid in the US, home of the blackout. Meanwhile New York is banning wasting fossil fuel energy on miners.
Anyways you seem to bring no data to the table other than a “nuh uh” and some obviously flawed apologism.
No word on the ewaste?
It appears to me you’re using the “facts u dislike” acronym expansion for FUD.
[1] https://grist.org/technology/bitcoin-greenidge-seneca-lake-c...
Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#97I don't agree Nostr is P2P since clients must connect to relays and there's no provision at the time for client to client connectivity. I found out about Nostr and due to the simplicity of the protocol I was able to start building right away. I implemented a relay using Typescript: https://github.com/Cameri/nostr-ts-relay I also wrote this dead simple SMTP to Nostr gateway: https://github.com/Cameri/smtp-nostr-gatewa…
Though at this point I probably wouldn't use that either.
Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
What stake do you have in either of the debates that you're referencing? When was the last time a politician's family member or a trans person did anything good or bad for you, personally? If you didn't allow social media to get you invested in these manufactured pseudo-political pseudo-events, you'd be free to realize that Trump and Biden are both obvious idiots and crooks; that people's gender identities, biochemic…
> that people's gender identities, biochemical makeup, and surgical history are obviously completely irrelevant to complete strangers At least in the UK, this became a matter of renewed public interest for two reasons: firstly, a proposed reform of the law to remove all gatekeeping from the process of changing one's 'legal sex', and secondly, an appalling case of several imprisoned women being sexually assaulted by a…
By bringing up the Karen White example, aren't you basically saying it would somehow be less appaling if it wasn't a trans person perpetrating the assault? Because I thought this sort of thing was abhorrent regardless of the salient details of a particular case?
Social media only makes it easier to focus on "which cage should we use for transgender people", and so much harder to ask ourselves "why are we putting people in cages". Or, as per the other example, "did Hunter Biden really lose his incriminating laptop?" vs "why are we letting ourselves be governed by people with familial ties to criminals?"
Social media and the polarizing meaningless debates that it enables serve the purpose of precluding people from focusing on the latter kind of question. (Which is already hard enough as it is, because it involves actual thinking.) If the public conversation is retreading ground that was already covered in the 1970s like you say, doesn't that mean that our society is regressing? Shouldn't be worrying first and foremost about that, since that's where we'd find the root cause of all the more specific issues?
How many people feel good for having the correct in-group opinions, while their contribution to e.g. the trans rights debate only goes as far as canceling JK Rowling, or, conversely, going to a Jordan Peterson talk? How many people have even heard of the actual examples you mention, as compared to the number of people who only know "uhh, so there's a debate on the Internet about some abstract hot button issue, and I'm required to pick a side in order to participate in society"?
A couple years from now the topics may be completely different, they'll just find another scapegoat or another thorny bioethical edge case, but the medium of debate will still be largely the same ol' Internet, and the AIs will only have become more effective at sowing discord.
Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#99Re: Nostr is a stupid simple P2P protocol that works, built by builders
#100I don't agree Nostr is P2P since clients must connect to relays and there's no provision at the time for client to client connectivity. I found out about Nostr and due to the simplicity of the protocol I was able to start building right away. I implemented a relay using Typescript: https://github.com/Cameri/nostr-ts-relay I also wrote this dead simple SMTP to Nostr gateway: https://github.com/Cameri/smtp-nostr-gatewa…
A bit disappointed about that actually. For a moment I thought someone had done a sane version of Scuttlebutt, but alas :) Though at this point I probably wouldn't use that either.