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Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by Tsiklon »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
psychoslave wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

Option + arrow / cmd + arrow does exactly the same as end / home etc, if you've just not found that yet. I always find it interesting when people complain about keyboard shortcuts on macOS - but I feel exactly the same when I use anything else. macOS keyboard shortcuts are amazing and os-wide. But they're not made obvious. Its really kinda snobbish that apple just assume you know them they treat it like 'because obvi…

Incredibly useful document for the new mac user with experience on other platforms - https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201236

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

#92

Post by tambourine_man »

pram wrote: post #37
tambourine_man wrote: post #33

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On a second thought, there where some transformative hardwares though. The iMac 5k for me, almost a decade later, is still better than anything other vendors have to offer. It’s my childhood dream monitor. Such a shame that they never sold it separately. The M series laptops seem like an inflection point as well. A fanless powerhouse with more than a day's work of battery life and best in class monitor and trackpad.

They do: https://www.apple.com/studio-display/specs/

You’re correct! How could I forget. Thanks. Shows I haven’t been shopping for Macs in a long time.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by tambourine_man »

Maursault wrote: post #89
tambourine_man wrote: post #31

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Macs, for me, are the software. This is something that became pretty evident during the Intel era. And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Funny to read such an opposite opinion. I don’t mind the pretty casing, but it’s icing on the cake.

> And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Incredible that these myths are being perpetuated by a Mac user. The fact is that at release, new Macs (including 68k and PPC) were always the most performant machines available in their class. Always. You could buy a cheaper x86, but it wasn't as powerful on that date. And…

At release, they mostly were. As soon as G3 was released it screamed. But then Intel kept bumping MHz every 6 months or so. Same with the G5, but that margin lasted even less. The G4 was just a sad period in the PPC line up on desktops. They made for good laptops though.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by tambourine_man »

coutego wrote: post #43
tambourine_man wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs, for me, are the software. This is something that became pretty evident during the Intel era. And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Funny to read such an opposite opinion. I don’t mind the pretty casing, but it’s icing on the cake.

I'm quite sure it's just a question of what you are used to. It is for me, anyway. My first PC (~year 2000) came with Windows but I wanted to use some software that only existed for Unix at the time and I was used to work in Unix anyway, so I heard about Linux and installed it. Great, I got an OS I was used to and the software I needed for my project. When finally I had to use Windows for work a couple of years later…

The command key is one of the great accidental geniuses of macOS (née Mac OS X).

It used to be just a Mac thing, but when the OS became Unix, you suddenly had a GUI key (command) and a command line key (control). Which is great for mental split and flexibility.

You can have Ctrl-C to cancel and Cmd-C to copy on the same Terminal app.

And you get to use both command/option/shift + arrow keys along with readline/Emacs shortcuts on any native text input. So sweet.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by tambourine_man »

psychoslave wrote: post #56
tambourine_man wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Macs, for me, are the software. This is something that became pretty evident during the Intel era. And I bought Macs exclusively when the hardware was both much slower and pricier than PCs (68k and PPC), because I loved the software so much. Funny to read such an opposite opinion. I don’t mind the pretty casing, but it’s icing on the cake.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

>I miss the home, end and del key on the integrated keyboard.

What do you mean? They’re all there on apple extended keyboards and are accessible via fn key on laptops. I mostly use command/option arrow keys, which, along with shift are also an amazing Mac feature.

>The only way to shutdown the integrated screen and still have the camera usable is to duplicate the screen and diminish brightness to zero. Or use a magnet. Seriously?

I don’t know if I understand you but you can turn the screen off without sleeping in multiple ways, like keyboard shortcut (Ctrl-Shift-Eject) or assign a screen hot corner for the mouse.

> No key to show the contextual keyboard.

What?

>Where is my select and paste with middle click, outside iTerm2 (community provided)?

It’s not a thing. I use it for exposé. Sounds barbaric to select with the middle button pressed though. Your dexterity goes out the window.

>Why is there no straight forward way to browse the actual file path in Finder, when a shortcut allows to copy it?

There are a couple. Straightforward might mean accustomed to, tough in this context.

>It's possibly the file manager that made me feel the most clueless in my life. It is not like everything is utterly horrible, but I was very surprised at how frustrating it could be as a daily driver.

The Finder leads a double life. It inherited traits from both the classic Mac OS (spatial Finder) and the NeXT (column browser). And it shows. Both can be very powerful but their coexistence is confusing at first.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by Sirened »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #11
sedeki wrote: post #8

(false statement about a buggy M1)

M1RACLES was a security flaw that was hyped as a joke , because it was such a weak bug, and yet it was hyped to oblivion. It totally does not deserve even a mention on the M1 Wikipedia page. The flaw means that two malicious processes, already on the system , can potentially communicate without the OS being aware. Even though they already could through pipes, desktop icons, files, inter-process communication, screen…

Notably, almost every other Arm A series processor which supported PAC also was susceptible to the same attack [1], the issue is just that actually buying such processors is nigh impossible (up until this year it was actually impossible, now you just need to do research on a phone SoC) whereas anyone can buy an apple silicon device from a million different places.

[1] https://developer.arm.com/documentation/ka005109/

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by bernawil »

astrange wrote: post #80
sofixa wrote: post #21

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The hardware is pretty good. Utterly unmaintainable, unserviceable and unapgradeable, extremely overpriced tiering (e.g. adding storage or RAM which you have to do at purchase time), with limited options (e.g. i cannot stand glossy screens with shitty reflections everywhere causing eye strain), but still very good. However the software (macOS) is pretty shit and IMO hard to adapt to coming from any other OS. Raw perf…

Glossy screens have better picture quality (black levels) in any situation where you can control the lighting. That’s usually true for laptops because you can just put it on your lap and swing around to avoid sunshine.

it's true for everything. You can even more so control the lighting and orientation of a desktop. Matte screens are the industry's worst mistake and I just can't understand why everybody hadn't ditched them already.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by tambourine_man »

breakfastduck wrote: post #76
psychoslave wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started to use a Mac for work a few months ago, first time in my life. I am still often frustrated with keyboard shortcuts, despite having installed a dedicated software to not feel in such an alien place. Sure there is a lot of muscle memory you can blame here. But how does it happens that the default OS doesn't provide the software option? Brew is nice, but here too it's community work filling the hole of the def…

Option + arrow / cmd + arrow does exactly the same as end / home etc, if you've just not found that yet. I always find it interesting when people complain about keyboard shortcuts on macOS - but I feel exactly the same when I use anything else. macOS keyboard shortcuts are amazing and os-wide. But they're not made obvious. Its really kinda snobbish that apple just assume you know them they treat it like 'because obvi…

They aren't obvious on Windows either, are they? Keyboard shortcuts are mostly a pro user thing.

And don’t get me started on the way that OS inserts special keys. How do you insert ® on Windows? Alt-01whoCanRemember? On the Mac it’s usually something that makes sense like Option + R. Ç? Option-C. ƒ? You guessed it.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by kitsunesoba »

tambourine_man wrote: post #98
breakfastduck wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Option + arrow / cmd + arrow does exactly the same as end / home etc, if you've just not found that yet. I always find it interesting when people complain about keyboard shortcuts on macOS - but I feel exactly the same when I use anything else. macOS keyboard shortcuts are amazing and os-wide. But they're not made obvious. Its really kinda snobbish that apple just assume you know them they treat it like 'because obvi…

They aren't obvious on Windows either, are they? Keyboard shortcuts are mostly a pro user thing. And don’t get me started on the way that OS inserts special keys. How do you insert ® on Windows? Alt-01whoCanRemember? On the Mac it’s usually something that makes sense like Option + R. Ç? Option-C. ƒ? You guessed it.

I remember Mac-style mnemonic shortcuts for special characters way better than I do alt codes. If I were building a Mac style DE that's probably one of the features that would be added.

Re: KDE runs on the Apple M2 with full GPU acceleration

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Post by tambourine_man »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #99
tambourine_man wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't obvious on Windows either, are they? Keyboard shortcuts are mostly a pro user thing. And don’t get me started on the way that OS inserts special keys. How do you insert ® on Windows? Alt-01whoCanRemember? On the Mac it’s usually something that makes sense like Option + R. Ç? Option-C. ƒ? You guessed it.

I remember Mac-style mnemonic shortcuts for special characters way better than I do alt codes. If I were building a Mac style DE that's probably one of the features that would be added.

Of course you do. Some of the things being discussed here are a matter of preference and/or habit.

But remembering a the first mnemonic letter vs 4 random digits is indisputably easier.

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