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Re: Amazon’s already greenlit an FTX miniseries

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

isitmadeofglass wrote: post #79
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Politicians were involved through donations. Whether to call that "compromised" is left as an exercise to the reader. Plenty of people hopelessly throw money at politicians. Most get no remuneration. Again, there is a paranoid subculture that assumes every donation brings legislative power, and for them, this is a relevant story. Most do not because, in most cases, it does not.

> there is a paranoid subculture that assumes every donation brings legislative power And there is a certain class of people so naive that they think any individual would give hundreds of millions to a politician with nothing but just good intentions, and that any politician would warrant such a donation purely through being outstanding and Jo able politicians.

> any individual would give hundreds of millions to a politician with nothing but just good intentions

Of course I don’t. They’re just raised outside power. They think money buys influence through donations. It doesn’t. They’re being played, and there will eternally be a joker in their seat.

Re: Amazon’s already greenlit an FTX miniseries

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Post by paulgb »

chaosbolt wrote: post #86
HWR_14 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some reason a lot of people think SBF had super connections that will let him get away with crimes. A lot of it reads as very politically partisan (he gave money to Democrats therefor they won't prosecute) and not based in reality.

>For some reason >...not based in reality Epstein has been investigated for 20 years, during one of his trials the judge's son was killed by a pizza delivery guy, assassinated after opening the door, Epstein was only caught in 2019. In the 2008 crisis only one guy went to prison, and he was an Egyptian. In the HSBC carter money laundering investigations, no one went to prison. Kerpeles (Mt Gox) didn't go to prison, M…

I agree that Epstein should have been stopped sooner and the fact he wasn’t is pure corruption, but he apparently had blackmail material on people in high places. Note that the judge’s son was killed after Epstein died, so if it was related to that case, it was not to protect Epstein himself.

I haven’t heard any claims that SBF has blackmail material. The donations he made are now embarrassing for their recipients and he has no capacity to make future donations. I think he’s going to jail, it will just take some time for justice to work.

Re: Amazon’s already greenlit an FTX miniseries

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Post by HWR_14 »

chaosbolt wrote: post #86
HWR_14 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some reason a lot of people think SBF had super connections that will let him get away with crimes. A lot of it reads as very politically partisan (he gave money to Democrats therefor they won't prosecute) and not based in reality.

>For some reason >...not based in reality Epstein has been investigated for 20 years, during one of his trials the judge's son was killed by a pizza delivery guy, assassinated after opening the door, Epstein was only caught in 2019. In the 2008 crisis only one guy went to prison, and he was an Egyptian. In the HSBC carter money laundering investigations, no one went to prison. Kerpeles (Mt Gox) didn't go to prison, M…

Epstein clearly had some kind of blackmail or leverage. He should have gone to jail earlier.

I'm not sure why you think people should have gone to jail in 2008. It was people doing a shitty job. That's not illegal. Similarly, MtGox was hacked. And, IIRC, people loaned Celsius money they then lost, not embezzled.

HSBC seems horrible, but I'm not sure they were able to identify individuals who violated the law beyond a shadow of doubt. It was one of those "everyone can point the finger at someone else" things. But, more importantly, they were still a financially large/successful company. So they could pay a fine and continue operating with new rules in place. Part of paying that fine is an agreement protecting the executives. I agree that happens too often.

I don't see how SBF fits into those. He doesn't seem to have blackmail material. It's not like everyone at FTX can claim it was someone else who did it (he's admitting it to reporters!) because it's a giant enterprise. It's not like FTX cannot be shut down because it's too big to fail/too big to jail.

But, yeah, the news doesn't report people are accused of crimes before formal indictments. Formal indictments wait until the charges are in place. Right now, they are still reconstructing just how much money SBF stole.

But I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'll totally bet that he goes to jail.

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Post by mlindner »

HWR_14 wrote: post #80
mlindner wrote: post #5

Hopefully they're properly negative on SBF as opposed to the mainstream media that seems to be still effusing his praise or at least being neutral. Also there's still the criminal charges to come after this. I don't really understand why he's not already in prison.

In general, we don't put people in jail before they are convicted unless we think they will pose a further danger or flee. We wait until after they have been proven guilty to lock people up to punish them. He's already being prevented from leaving the country (note, the country is the Bahamas where he had been living for years). He doesn't have access to FTX's accounts. It seems like it's harmless to leave him out un…

> In general, we don't put people in jail before they are convicted unless we think they will pose a further danger or flee. We wait until after they have been proven guilty to lock people up to punish them.

We publicly crucify people all the time, even when no crime has been committed. Just look at the treatment of Elon Musk versus SBF. SBF commits likely crime, gets almost no negative press. Elon Musk buys a company and people go onto national news and declare that he needs to be investigated for every crime under the sun.

If people were consistent I'd be more okay with how SBF is being treated, but they're clearly not. As SBF donated heavily to media organizations it's obvious that they're treating him with kid gloves because of those donations.

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Post by chaosbolt »

HWR_14 wrote: post #93
chaosbolt wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>For some reason >...not based in reality Epstein has been investigated for 20 years, during one of his trials the judge's son was killed by a pizza delivery guy, assassinated after opening the door, Epstein was only caught in 2019. In the 2008 crisis only one guy went to prison, and he was an Egyptian. In the HSBC carter money laundering investigations, no one went to prison. Kerpeles (Mt Gox) didn't go to prison, M…

Epstein clearly had some kind of blackmail or leverage. He should have gone to jail earlier. I'm not sure why you think people should have gone to jail in 2008. It was people doing a shitty job. That's not illegal. Similarly, MtGox was hacked. And, IIRC, people loaned Celsius money they then lost, not embezzled. HSBC seems horrible, but I'm not sure they were able to identify individuals who violated the law beyond a…

I'm sure many people did illegal things in 2008, in HSBC, in MtGox, etc. and I'm also sure SBF will not go to jail.

As I said before that, we will be given by the media a good enough reason why he didn't do anything wrong.

>the news doesn't report people are accused of crimes before formal indictments

Did you seriously just say this? The media spent years saying false things about multiple politicians with 0 evidence.

Like come on at this point if you can't see the corruption then you never will but it's become so obvious it's like they're not even trying to hide it.

Re: Amazon’s already greenlit an FTX miniseries

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Post by HWR_14 »

mlindner wrote: post #94
HWR_14 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In general, we don't put people in jail before they are convicted unless we think they will pose a further danger or flee. We wait until after they have been proven guilty to lock people up to punish them. He's already being prevented from leaving the country (note, the country is the Bahamas where he had been living for years). He doesn't have access to FTX's accounts. It seems like it's harmless to leave him out un…

> In general, we don't put people in jail before they are convicted unless we think they will pose a further danger or flee. We wait until after they have been proven guilty to lock people up to punish them. We publicly crucify people all the time, even when no crime has been committed. Just look at the treatment of Elon Musk versus SBF. SBF commits likely crime, gets almost no negative press. Elon Musk buys a compan…

Opinion people saying something on TV is not like a newspaper (or news TV show) making a claim.

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Post by HWR_14 »

chaosbolt wrote: post #95
HWR_14 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epstein clearly had some kind of blackmail or leverage. He should have gone to jail earlier. I'm not sure why you think people should have gone to jail in 2008. It was people doing a shitty job. That's not illegal. Similarly, MtGox was hacked. And, IIRC, people loaned Celsius money they then lost, not embezzled. HSBC seems horrible, but I'm not sure they were able to identify individuals who violated the law beyond a…

I'm sure many people did illegal things in 2008, in HSBC, in MtGox, etc. and I'm also sure SBF will not go to jail. As I said before that, we will be given by the media a good enough reason why he didn't do anything wrong. >the news doesn't report people are accused of crimes before formal indictments Did you seriously just say this? The media spent years saying false things about multiple politicians with 0 evidence…

I agree someone broke the law at HSBC, although I doubt they could identify who. I doubt anyone broke any law in the economic collapse of 2008 where such law breaking was a major contributor to the collapse (Im sure some people used the chaos to steal money for instance). Other than the hackers, im not sure what law you think anyone involved in MtGox broke.

I'm willing to bet money SBF ends up in prison.

I've never heard the NEWSmedia accuse a politician of violating a specific law with zero evidence. Any examples of it done flagrantly? (I'm sure some reasonable errors slipped through). But even then, it's purposefully much harder for political actors to prove libel or slander suits.

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