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Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by ricardobeat »

cloudhead wrote: post #66

Gosh, it's not that complicated. They're just asking if the product is company-owned or community-owned. That's the distinction between web 2 and 3; just like the distinction between web 1 and 2 was whether the content was authored by the company or the community; cf. encyclopedia britannica vs. wikipedia. And yes, you can't just go from one to the other, it's a completely different way of running a product.

Please remind us of a successful web3 project that is “community-owned”.

All the high profile ones so far, end up centralizing power and wealth under a handful of people.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by aconst »

In France, you can often pick up free "newspaper" at train stations. One of them "20 minutes" begun, from time to time, to print a special "20mint" (think 20 min_t___) edition talking about web3 and cryptos. This, plus other advertisement, makes me afraid that it will increase the impression for people who are a bit less tech savvy that web2 is has-been and web3 the future...

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by laura-media »

CyborgCabbage wrote: post #61

My experience has been the opposite, last year a speaker came in (some high up business guy, can't remember the details) and briefly mentioned blockchain. He did a show of hands for who had a favourable opinion on blockchain and no one put there hand up (20-30 people). This was in a GameDev club at university in the UK. I wonder where all these web3 advocates are coming from, maybe it is just a loud minority, or mayb…

Game devs definitely are much more aware that their consumers don't buy into the crypto scam. I've seen way too many NFT and crypto bros in the UI/UX/Design field.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by enqk »

hocuspocus wrote: post #43
sdiacom wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hang out in spaces for people entering tech, and I see the crypto advocates and grifters creeping in and around these spaces. It's extremely successful. Lately, I'm even seeing crypto grifts specifically aimed at people entering tech from non-traditional backgrounds, weaponising the language and discourse of diversity and empowerment to trick them into not just buying into the grift, but code the grift for them. Fo…

I wouldn't really worry about people with a college degree. At one point or another you remember you classes on distributed systems and you realize the entire space is bullshit. I agree we'll see bootcamp grads and other people from non-traditional backgrounds get burned but it also gives them opportunities that wouldn't exist otherwise, so I'm not sure it's a net negative overall. The much bigger issue lies within p…

Are you sure that college degrees inoculate people against bullshit?

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by throwaway98797 »

cloudhead wrote: post #66

Gosh, it's not that complicated. They're just asking if the product is company-owned or community-owned. That's the distinction between web 2 and 3; just like the distinction between web 1 and 2 was whether the content was authored by the company or the community; cf. encyclopedia britannica vs. wikipedia. And yes, you can't just go from one to the other, it's a completely different way of running a product.

it’s like an ESOP[1] re-imagined for owning core infrastructure

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_Stock_Ownership_Pla...

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by Communitivity »

Yes, there are a lot of scams in the crypto space.

Yes, the terminology and hype make the SOA craze look like a toddler's tea.

However, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Some of the underlying technologies are valid, valuable, and might just play into whatever is in the future of the networking.

The technologies I am talking about are:

* Distributed Hash Tables (DHTs)

* Distributed Ledgers

* Abstracted distributed filesystems such as IPFS, BlockSpace,etc.

* Prediction markets with virtual currencies (I like virtual currency over cryptocurrency, though I know no one else uses it)

* Decentralized identifiers

* Decentralized and distributed communication

* Smart contracts

* Blockchains (for things other than a financial bank)

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by bawolff »

greybeardednyc wrote: post #88

I definitely get the whole “web3” is useless argument for a lot of the cases it’s been proposed but like any new technology I think it may find valid use cases somewhere down the line. One of the few uses for which I am interested is “web3” identity - being able to keep ownership of my identity/credentials. Using, for example, a wallet to sign a message proving I own an address, I can build apps that don’t require me…

I dont think web3 has really made any improvements in this area, so you got to ask what's different now.

Using public keys to log into things has been forever. It caught on with ssh (1995), it failed with client-certificates aka mTLS (1996).

Zero knowledge proofs also havent really caught on. And its not a new idea. The Fiat–Shamir heuristic is from 1986.

Anyways, i dont really think web3 has added anything. Most of these technologies are at least 25 years old and have not caught on. If it hasn't happened yet, i dont think crypto will change that.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by TimJRobinson »

I think the OP is missing what those kids actually desire when they say web3 - self sovereignty.

They grew up in an era where a few big tech companies control most of their experiences, and you're completely locked into them unable to escape even if you hate the platform because that's where all your friends are.

Web3 is where you can have one digital login owned by you that you can use for many services and you can easily move somewhere else if that service turns evil.

It's hosting your own website vs having a page on Facebook. It's being able to trade any digital with friends without having to be locked into one platform. It's having all your likes and personal preferences carry with you between services.

We had more of this in the early days of the internet, but people just graduating don't remember this, they just know an internet of walled gardens they want to escape from.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by csomar »

mjburgess wrote: post #4

For the first time my anger over crypto moves into genuine concern. Is an entire generation of young people experiencing a kind of "pokemonisation" of crypto well into early adulthood? In other words, is a generation of 20-somethings wasting the better part of that decade on this tech, in these scams? If so, this feels new (?). We're not talking about the chain-letter crazes of the 20s/30s, the housewife pyramid sche…

I had an interesting discussion with a young "developer" studying in "cyber-security". The guy was clearly out of his depth, and had a little idea about Internet security themes. He was struggling about finding an internship. I told him the market is still hot for tech people and security in general. His answer? "It's hard for me because I'm a person of color". I was a bit shocked there. He was just a bit browner than me, and far from black.

It's going to be an interesting generation...

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Post by orsenthil »

Marketing is what you impress upon people, not what you define. The mechanism of marketing is very powerful force, and we have been a part of it, if we realize it or not. People have used the marketing tool successful to shape generations of humans.

web3 is marketing. It hasn't failed because we are still talking about it.

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