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Home truths about macOS

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Re: Home truths about macOS

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>"Anyone’s that ever used macOS even once knows that things really work." I am not a regular Mac user but I was once asked by client to port my CI/CD related script so it can work for developers who use Macs. Script involved dealing with docker among other things. After dicking around for a while I've discovered deeply nested folder created by docker that was not supposed to exist after successful script completion.…

Macs have a bunch of weird quirks where simple things simply do not work. I got a new mbp for work recently, second to my main windows gaming machine with 34" ultra wide 1440p monitor. And I've basically installed chrome, vscode, and a whole bunch of little packages to make basic hardware operate normally. There's an app to allow the track pad and mouse wheel scroll directions to be set differently. There's another t…

Macs only look good at a 110 or 220 pixel density.

34" ultra wide 1440p has a pixel density of about 110 ppi, and that should work just fine. You might need to use a different cable, though. You should look your monitor up on rtings.com and search for notes on Mac compatibility.

I have a MacBook Pro 14 that I use daily with a 34" ultra-wide 1440p gaming monitor, and I've never had a problem. I had a MacBook Pro 13 before the 14 that also worked without issue.

Re: Home truths about macOS

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My low-end test Mac is an old (2012) 11" Air, running Catalina (it can't run anything newer). It's been getting updates, until recently. I don't know for sure, if they are done.

See my post below. Often this is an artificial limit and as the other guy posted, opencore legacy can bypass this "lock" and allow you to upgrade beyond Catalina.

Sometimes you can install but things are disabled (Metal was one).

Re: Home truths about macOS

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The iPhone 5s from 2013 just got a security update in July of this year. But if you care about how long the vendor supports your phone, you really should get an Android phone. I’m sure you will be delighted about how long they support their phones.

> I’m sure you will be delighted about how long they support their phones. Not generally. OnePlus only provides 3 major updates, for example. That's 3-4 years of use. You can root for LineageOS or other custom ROMs, but then you lose Netflix and whatever because Android uses stupid trusted execution crap for DRM.

We really need a sarcasm bit for tcp/ip ;)

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How many of these apps will drop support for Monterey within the coming year(s)? How many of your apps will actually stop working when there are no updates? I think that if a Laptop lives for 6-8 years, that's quite good. If you don't think so, maybe Windows is a better fit for you because you can purchase fove (cheap) laptops for the price of one Mac. If you "need" your Mac for work, I think replacing it every 6-8 y…

Why buy 5 Windows laptops for the price of one Mac when one PC laptop can be supported for 2-3 times as long? You can run Windows 10 on a ThinkPad T60 from 2006. Windows 10 will get support until 2025. That's 19 years support from one machine. Use a Linux distro and get even more. Why spend more for a Mac if you get less useful life and are constantly having to repurchase software from OS upgrades breaking stuff?

As a lifelong Intel/MS user in my early 40s, I've been staring down an M1 Mac Studio and thinking hard about this.

I had a 2006 Dell Inspiron Laptop that I got for less than $1000 from the Dell Outlet, that came with Vista XP, and through various promotions had been able to upgrade the OS all the way to Windows 10, legitimately - and I think I might have only paid $60 for the Win 7 upgrade. About six year ago, I donated the laptop (the internal wifi card was spotty, and with 4gb of RAM, it wasn't much for multitasking).

Similarly, I've got a Dell Desktop with an i7 processor that's 11 years old, which through the magic of SSDs and the occasional video card upgrade, continues to do a solid job with the creative work I do in Photoshop, multitrack audio, Sketchup, and Twinmotion.

Ten years ago, I started using a Macbook Pro at work because internally, we switched to Ruby on Rails for the ecommerce platform we built. I was asked if I wanted to keep working in Windows, but basically everyone building in RoR was on a Macbook, so why swim against the current? I'll spare a this vs that comparison, and leave it to say that (muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts aside) I eventually was okay with working on a Mac. It also gave me a lot more exposure to Apple culture, for better and for worse. A lot of it was insufferable idolatry and ideological pontification - but I started to understand, if not necessarily agree with, the product lifecycle in Apple. I had a 2013 Macbook Pro, it was still working fine, but I traded it last year towards my first iPad (now that they had USB-C and more of a creative focus than a consumption focus, I was willing to take the plunge)

It's a lot like leasing cars. I'm someone who tries to drive a car into the ground, proverbially - I do regularly maintenance though, so it's more like after 10-15 years, the safety improvements on modern vehicles outweigh the cost advantage of driving something I paid off a decade ago.

Back to Apple - once they got serious about recycling, the pattern became: you spend a bunch of money up front, and then you just keep trading your hardware in for the latest version. I would hold onto my iPhone for three product cycles because I spent a lot of money on it and I was going to eek out every last cent. But with Apple, you have a large initial outlay, and you can leverage the trade-in as almost a kind of hardware subscription. They've got a solid backup/recovery process that makes this really, really simple. And I kinda get it, the way I kinda get why some people lease cars instead of buy. Get a Mac with AppleCare and upgrade it every year or two, and that premium you pay essentially means you don't have to think too hard about breaking your computer, and you're always within a year or two of the latest, greatest hardware.

It still costs more, no doubt about that. But like with a leased car, you kinda don't have to worry about maintenance. With cars and computers, I do a lot of work myself, but I'm getting to a point in life where I just don't care about doing that anymore, and I have better financial resources, and I'm thinking real hard about going with size, power, and performance of a Mac Studio, knowing that it means reshaping my relationship with computers. The fact that they've been reducing or eliminating proprietary connectors in recent years has played a very large factor in swaying me in this direction too, I'd add, while knowing that it's still very much Apple culture to charge you $30 for $0.35 worth of cable.

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I have a Macbook Pro 2015 and the latest OS it supports officially is Monterey. The new Ventura (2022) is not supported anymore. I consider my device to have had software support for about at least seven years so far and until when they stop releasing security fixes for Monterey. I believe this to be sufficient for my needs and the frequency of which I upgrade the laptop. P.S. I don’t think that it’s ok for Apple to…

I wish apple would do 'best effort' support on older macs. Meaning, it'll let you install after you click thru two pages of warnings, and might work, or might not.

This is a much more sensible approach vs the "installer lock" apple took.

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> They pulled something off I think would be difficult for many others and have shown they're not married to a single architecture. You mean like how MS Windows ran on the DEC Alpha as well as X86? Or how Linux runs on X86 and ARM CPU's? Running an OS on multiple CPU types goes back a very long time.

> Running an OS on multiple CPU types goes back a very long time. Yet moving the entire world onto this new architecture and getting all developers on board to start creating software for it is nearly unheard of outside of Apple.

That’s the strategy that Microsoft can’t/won’t pursue: be willing to abandon legacy vendors/customers by forcing a migration.

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Both actually. I replace hardware the moment the AppleCare runs out. I also tend to track near or at the latest versions of macOS. I factor in the cost on a monthly cost basis.

I also had to replace my Mac when its AppleCare ran out, but only because it started having random issues with its keyboard and USB ports. Stinks of logic board issue, not worth paying to replace when it'll just break again. Still unhappy about that because nothing will ever live up to my mid-2015 MBP.

This is why I get rid of it the moment AppleCare is gone. I want someone else to handle the risk of it turning into a brick.

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Isn't that... Umm good ? Windows completely rehauls everything in every major releases and makes it difficult to navigate through.

But at least we all know 3 came before 7, 11 followed 10 etc. Vista was 8. Dunno what happened to 9 but I'll never remember the order of 'name'. Same with android....kit kat was version what now?

If you don't know what happened to 9, I'm kind of delighted to inform you that the version number was skipped because of all the legacy applications out there that matched against a string value of "Windows 9?" to determine if the OS was Windows 95 or Windows 98, instead of checking the actual version number that gets returned when you type ver in the command line.

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> They pulled something off I think would be difficult for many others and have shown they're not married to a single architecture. You mean like how MS Windows ran on the DEC Alpha as well as X86? Or how Linux runs on X86 and ARM CPU's? Running an OS on multiple CPU types goes back a very long time.

> Running an OS on multiple CPU types goes back a very long time. Yet moving the entire world onto this new architecture and getting all developers on board to start creating software for it is nearly unheard of outside of Apple.

"Planned obsolescence" has its advantages?

This is the third time apple has done this so one would hope they have learned form their mistakes and make the transition seemless?

Windows machines on X86 are just fine.. Amazing when you dont have a monopoly on both the OS and Hardware. MS runs on Intel, AMD, ARM...

MacOS runs on whatever hardware Apple sells.

you can see how an attempt by Microsoft to move off Intel would fail, right?

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Besides the impracticality of running new OS’s on a 2005 era Mac, what software engineer at Apple would be willing to take on that role? Also, even if the hardware were supported, what third party software company would still support PPC Macs?

> what software engineer at Apple would be willing to take on that role? One being paid to do so? People still work with COBOL. If you have trouble finding engineers to do it, offer a higher salary. > Also, even if the hardware were supported, what third party software company would still support PPC Macs? Some software is still supported for Windows XP, and that's considerably older than the last PPC Macs. It would…

> One being paid to do so? People still work with COBOL. If you have trouble finding engineers to do it, offer a higher salary.

Higher salary than who? Do you really think old COBOL programmers (FWIW I’m 48) are making more than the average new college grad working at any major tech company?

And besides if you know how raises and promotions work at tech companies, you would know they are based on “impact” and “scope”. You don’t demonstrate either by saying “I spent all last year supporting MacOS on a PowerPC 6100 from 1994 doesn’t speak well to either.

Unless you work at Google where it’s based on creating new messaging app that will be killed in a year.

Is the average COBOL programmer even making close to the same $170K+ that I’ve seen returning interns make at major tech companies (including the one I mentored)

> Some software is still supported for Windows XP, and that's considerably older than the last PPC Macs.

How much mainstream software is supported by XP? Microsoft Office? Adobe software? Modern browsers? Modern games?

> In any case my point is that they absolutely have the resources to do this. I don't see how that's at all controversial given how much money they have

Yes and they also had the money to buy Twitter. But what moron would do something that stupid?

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