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New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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Assuming you are American, do you also get confused with Bank of America, or US Bank? Most countries have a retail bank that uses the name of the country or region, even if they aren't the central bank.

Many central banks are named "Bank of ", like Bank of England (for historical reasons not Bank of UK), Bank of Germany, Bank of France (Banque de France) or Bank of Spain (Banco de España). If we had a private "Bank of The United States", then yes, that would be confusing, but no official institutions are named "BlahBlah of America". Also, the fact that the official central bank is so close at "The Reserve Bank of Ne…

The German central bank is The Deutsche Bundesbank,which literally means "German Federal Bank" not "Bank of Germany".

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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One clarification if you're not familiar with New Zealand banking. The article states: > Last week, Bank of New Zealand warned that “things could well and truly turn to custard” as the global economy is plunged into recession. I read that and thought "Holy hell, central bankers in the US are usually extremely measured in their comments, they would never say something like 'things could well and truly turn to custard'…

Assuming you are American, do you also get confused with Bank of America, or US Bank? Most countries have a retail bank that uses the name of the country or region, even if they aren't the central bank.

Oddly enough, the originating bank that formed what is now known as Bank of America was founded under the name Bank of Italy. So it can get even more confusing.

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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Figure 9 looks dire: 95% of mortgage (by total value, not count) are going to have their rates adjusted in the next three years; 56% in the next year. In the US, that'd definitely lead to a housing crisis worse than 2008. Is there something different about how houses are purchased in NZ?

In New Zealand, all mortgages are approximately at a floating interest rate. You can lock in a rate for up to 5 years (with the majority choosing 1 or 2 years), but after that “fixed” period completes, you now renew your interest rate at whatever the current market is. Most mortgages are signed up for a term of decades (mine is 30 years, and I signed up at age 50), so although you might use “fixed” rates for a few ye…

That's wild. In the US, a fixed-rate 30 year is pretty common, particularly when rates were I suspect a rates go up, ARMs (adjustable rate mortgage) become more common, in the hopes that rates come down and the homeowner see that upside.

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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> falling house prices Good?

Overall, yes, very. For some not so much. Talking with my landlord the other week, they said that they regretted not selling the house last year when they moved. It's lost 15k every week this year on average (according to homes.co.nz estimates). That's almost 30%. For people like me, it's a good thing. Interest rates are higher, sure, but a smaller deposit is needed and for most people I know that have been looking t…

Investments aren't meant to be risk free.

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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Is the energy sector mining, drilling, oil and gas? If that's the way out of financial strife, that's depressing.

I understand the hesitance to rely on oil and gas, but what’s wrong with mining?

it's enormously destructive to animal habitats, can poison water supplies.

https://thenarwhal.ca/for-decades-b-c-failed-to-address-sele...

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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If you skim headlines it's much as you say. Interest rates rising (but still around historic averages), falling house prices and high inflation. https://www.rnz.co.nz/topics/business-economy

> falling house prices Good?

Yes. But there will be losers. Some of this I'm fine with but hurting first home buyers and those who need a home to live in is crap.

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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Overall, yes, very. For some not so much. Talking with my landlord the other week, they said that they regretted not selling the house last year when they moved. It's lost 15k every week this year on average (according to homes.co.nz estimates). That's almost 30%. For people like me, it's a good thing. Interest rates are higher, sure, but a smaller deposit is needed and for most people I know that have been looking t…

Investments aren't meant to be risk free.

That's exactly it though. For many it's as much a home as an investment.

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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In my experience the concept of a 30-year fixed mortgage is uniquely (or close to it) American. Certainly in NZ anything beyond a two-year fix is rare.

Which, as an American, seems wild. How many people are prepared to have their mortgage go up 2x to 3x just a few years--which doesn't even require an increase to especially outrageous rates from historically low interest rates?

As another commenter said, no choice. That's just how it works. Conversely, we're confused why banks in the US are willing to do a 30-year fix in the first place. That's an awfully long time into an unknown future to commit to anything, especially in an industry so conservative and ruthless as banking.

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In New Zealand, all mortgages are approximately at a floating interest rate. You can lock in a rate for up to 5 years (with the majority choosing 1 or 2 years), but after that “fixed” period completes, you now renew your interest rate at whatever the current market is. Most mortgages are signed up for a term of decades (mine is 30 years, and I signed up at age 50), so although you might use “fixed” rates for a few ye…

Silly question, but how do you budget given floating interest rates? Let's say that you buy an $800,000 place at 3% interest with a 20% down-payment ($640,000 borrowed). Your payments are $2,698/mo. Fast-forward a couple years and you're now at 7.3% and your payments are up to $4,388/mo. That's a 63% increase in your housing budget. That's an extra $20,280/year in housing costs. Yes, rent can increase crazy amounts w…

> "yea, that's how it is here."

Its also how it is in the UK and most other countries. There is a benefit that the central bank can control the economy much better. When the fed raises rates most people dont directly notice, where with floating rates the majority of households have less money every month straight away.

Re: New Zealand plunges into recessionary spiral

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Tech industry in bc employs more people than all the mining oil and gas combined. The importance of the traditional resource industries feels like an out of date meme leveraged for political reasons. It's not the future for Canada.

BC's biggest exports is still Coal, and then Lumber. I'm sure Natural gas will be added to that list shortly.

That may be true, but at a significant cost. Skilled labour contributing to GDP is rather more useful than trashing the place and making a quick dollar. Just comparing the dollars masks this.
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