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Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by laweijfmvo »

anamexis wrote: post #27
herodoturtle wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the HN title of this post: "Twitter to lay off 25% of workforce in first round of job cuts" I opened the article thinking this was a formal announcement. But it's nothing of the sort. It's just speculation at this stage. Hope that clears things up.

But it's not speculation: > ...according to four people familiar with the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe them, as well as tweets from some of the people involved.

It comes down to, do you trust that WaPo properly vetted the sources, and do you believe that the sources, whether they were in a position to be credible or not, were acting on solid information?

E.g. according to Business Insider Facebook should have fired half the company, according to “sources”, but that hasn’t happened to my knowledge yet

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by anamexis »

wisnoskij wrote: post #82
anamexis wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's not speculation: > ...according to four people familiar with the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe them, as well as tweets from some of the people involved.

This comes from the news stations who said days ago that people were already laid off, and their sources turned out to be random people they found on the street with meme fake names. https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/10/28/2339204/pranksters-...

No, it doesn't, this comes from the Washington Post, speaking to people familiar with the layoff planning.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by photochemsyn »

The Washington Post really has lost a lot of credibility since the Bezos purchase in 2013. It reflects a trend of consolidation of corporate media in the hands of America's ruling oligarchs (who exert far more influence over federal policies and expenditures than any Congressperson, and perhaps the President as well).

For example, I can't imagine the WaPo taking this same tone with regard to a Bezos acquisition or contract, or publishing confidential leaked details of inside business discussion, as it would almost certainly upset their owner and lead to 'a change in leadership' at the Post. The same is true of their coverage of the unionization effort at Amazon warehouses and distribution centers. Similarly, the CIA and NSA deals that AWS has engaged in aren't getting this level of scrutiny from the Post either, and there's little chance of the Post ever printing anything [like the 2010] "Top Secret America" series on how defense contracts are doled out to intelligence contractors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Secret_America

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by [deleted] »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #77
skhr0680 wrote: post #21

Twitter is already improved IMHO: The "sign in or sign up" nag screen is gone for me!

I switched to the nitter client long ago, but that's down today due to a cert error. https://nitter.net Other instances here: https://xnaas.github.io/nitter-instances/

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Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by [deleted] »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #14

> Another person familiar with the deal who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters last week said the total number of layoffs is likely to be closer to 50 percent. Unless I’m missing something, the only sources for this article are a mix of speculation and anonymous sources who can’t even agree with each other about the layoff.

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Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by phpisthebest »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #14

> Another person familiar with the deal who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters last week said the total number of layoffs is likely to be closer to 50 percent. Unless I’m missing something, the only sources for this article are a mix of speculation and anonymous sources who can’t even agree with each other about the layoff.

No post body was provided.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by falcolas »

sneak wrote: post #61
yboris wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it legal to demand people work on weekends? How is it legal to (even threaten) firing if a new assigned task that takes a long time is not done on time?

In the US, there is a fair amount of respect (in business at least) for the idea of “consent to continue the interaction can be revoked with or without cause at any time”. I personally can’t see a good reason why it should be illegal outside the rare edge case where there is only a single employer in a geographical region, and even that unfortunate situation should probably be remediated with a different type of gove…

> Employers should be able to be unreasonable and shoot their business in the foot, no?

No.

Not when they hold an employees ability to meet basic human needs and their access to Healthcare over their employee's heads.

At-will employment is ideologically built on the equal splitting of the power between an employer and employee. The reality is as far from equal as can be.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by hotpotamus »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #14

> Another person familiar with the deal who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters last week said the total number of layoffs is likely to be closer to 50 percent. Unless I’m missing something, the only sources for this article are a mix of speculation and anonymous sources who can’t even agree with each other about the layoff.

Sometimes people have their own motives and don't always tell you the truth or at least omit to tell you their plans. As a co-worker once told me, welcome to the mud pit along with everyone else you'll be a competitor with while trying to build a career and hopefully a decent product.

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by lm28469 »

COGlory wrote: post #67
outside1234 wrote: post #20

Honestly, the whole of Twitter should just walk out and wildcat strike until Wednesday morning. The worst he can do is fire you.

Why? What has Musk actually done? To date there's: - Reports that he had Tesla engineers with him when they interviewed some Twitter engineeers. Currently the biggest arguments against that are: Tesla engineers belong to Tesla (we have no idea in what capacity they were they) and "that's an ineffective strategy to review a codebase" (we have no idea if that's what they were actually doing. - Reports that he gave a te…

> Reports that he gave a team until Nov 7th to roll out a paid subscription

> None of these things are particularly unreasonable

Six business days to come up with a system to process $6m per month of income.

Nothing unreasonable indeed...

Re: Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by phpisthebest »

anamexis wrote: post #27
herodoturtle wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was referring to the HN title of this post: "Twitter to lay off 25% of workforce in first round of job cuts" I opened the article thinking this was a formal announcement. But it's nothing of the sort. It's just speculation at this stage. Hope that clears things up.

But it's not speculation: > ...according to four people familiar with the discussions who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe them, as well as tweets from some of the people involved.

I am sorry but i am over the "people familiar" .. " condition of anonymity" crap in news

Either put a name to it, or dont report on it

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