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Re: Tell HN: Spectrum is blocking TCP/UDP 5060 at my home

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> The opt-out is buy business-class service. Yes, punish the undesirable behavior with more money. That will teach them a valuable lesson.

Well, the charitable interpretation would be that you're paying for their extra support costs.

The charitable assumption on the service provider's behalf would be that their customers are not morons.

Re: Tell HN: Spectrum is blocking TCP/UDP 5060 at my home

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Nah, just like port 25 outbound being blocked is shitty. How can we have a decentralized net when consumer ISPs make people call in or beg to have full network access? Yes, do some flood detection, but the problem is that the SIP provider should be, as another commenter put, block international calls or otherwise detect/reject calls to toll systems. Who the heck uses toll numbers anymore anyway?

"People" here being the 0.001% of the population that's interested in and capable of responsibly hosting anything. As others have noted I'm perfectly fine with someone having to make a phone call, go to a web UI, whatever to click a box with a scary warning (and potentially agree to additional terms) when they want to open their connection up. Spectrum has 32 million customers and blocking SMTP, netbios, RDP, rate li…

I've been a firewall admin for a decade, I'm not entirely naive, and I am now sober.

I clearly don't work in VoIP, I only had a one year stint with call center stuff. But I am honestly asking, who uses toll numbers anymore? Why wouldn't phone companies and VoIP providers literally decide not to honor a tool that seems, to me, entirely built for scams? Are there places without Internet but with phones, in such a scenario where a toll number scheme makes sense?

Put in general terms, I am saying "don't block the network protocol, end the toll-payout protocol". It would be like us living in a system where scammers could charge you $5 each time you got caught staring at a postcard in your mailbox, and we decided to block postcards rather than stop paying the extortion.

On the broader topic of "decentralized servers being abused on the Internet" yeah I get the problem of open DNS and SMTP relays. I do assert that those services being locked down are why we only have 0.0001% engagement.

Re: Tell HN: Spectrum is blocking TCP/UDP 5060 at my home

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"People" here being the 0.001% of the population that's interested in and capable of responsibly hosting anything. As others have noted I'm perfectly fine with someone having to make a phone call, go to a web UI, whatever to click a box with a scary warning (and potentially agree to additional terms) when they want to open their connection up. Spectrum has 32 million customers and blocking SMTP, netbios, RDP, rate li…

I've been a firewall admin for a decade, I'm not entirely naive, and I am now sober. I clearly don't work in VoIP, I only had a one year stint with call center stuff. But I am honestly asking, who uses toll numbers anymore? Why wouldn't phone companies and VoIP providers literally decide not to honor a tool that seems, to me, entirely built for scams? Are there places without Internet but with phones, in such a scena…

You make a good point regarding toll numbers and the real answer is "I don't know" but they persist for whatever reasons...

I'm also not being entirely clear when I say "toll numbers". What I really mean is "high cost" numbers. You're a firewall admin, you know there's no limit to the creativity and ingenuity of scammers/fraudsters/etc with a clear monetization path. There's also traffic pumping[0], jurisdictions where the rate decks overly subsidize the cost to a "mobile" vs "landline", high-rate destinations (like Iridium), and again, various destinations with weird rate structures where (somewhat like traffic pumping) there doesn't seem to be any real justification that the billed rate aligns with the actual cost of delivering service but due to corrupt or non-functioning governments/regulators/telcos/etc they persist and are ripe for fraud.

[0] - https://www.fcc.gov/general/traffic-pumping

Re: Tell HN: Spectrum is blocking TCP/UDP 5060 at my home

#95

At least where I am in SoCal, AT&T literally just deployed fiber with plans up to 5 gigabit/s. I'm so glad to be leaving Spectrum behind, because when moving here I never thought I'd have a cable Internet provider that made me miss Comcast... So hopefully you have some other options soon. :)

So, interesting stuff! I had my installation appointment, the guy came out and proceeded to tell me that the 5k plan would be useless to me. I asked why - apparently switches have not progressed at the same speed. Latest MBPs for example only support up to ~1300Mbps via wifi (however could support up to 10Gb bandwidth via Ethernet.) Most of my devices I use via wifi anyways. I have 1 Pi plugged in. I guess most hardware only has a 1k switch in it these days?

With that new info, I decided to stick to my 1k plan until more hardware catches up.

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